Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] net/virtio: add platform memory ordering feature support

["Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:55:50AM +0000, Shahaf Shuler wrote:
> Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:29 AM, Ilya Maximets:
> > Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] net/virtio: add platform memory
> > ordering feature support
> > 
> > On 15.01.2019 9:33, Shahaf Shuler wrote:
> > > Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:37 PM, Shahaf Shuler:
> > >> Subject: RE: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] net/virtio: add platform memory
> > >> ordering feature support
> > >>
> > >> Wednesday, January 9, 2019 5:50 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin:
> > >>> alejandro.lucero@netronome.com; Daniel Marcovitch
> > >>> <danielm@mellanox.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] net/virtio: add platform memory
> > >>> ordering feature support
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:34:38PM +0300, Ilya Maximets wrote:
> > >>>> virtio_mb() is really heavy. I'd like to avoid it somehow, but I
> > >>>> don't know how to do this yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> Linux driver doesn't avoid it either.
> > >>
> > >> I understand v3 was merged but still would like to continue the
> > >> discuss and make sure all is clear and agreed.
> > >>
> > >> Form patch [1] description it is very clear why we need the
> > >> rte_smp_mb() barrier.
> > >> However I am not sure why this barrier is interoperate into rte_mb in
> > >> case of vDPA.  In vDPA case, both read of the user ring and write of
> > >> the avail index are for local cached memory.
> > >> The only write which is to uncachable memory (device memory) is the
> > >> notify itself.
> > >>
> > >> As I mentioned, there is a need to have a store fence before doing
> > >> the notify, but from different reasons. So vDPA use case and need Is
> > >> a bit different than what presented in [1].
> > >
> > > Any answer?
> > > It is pity if we add redundant barriers which will degrade the driver
> > performance.
> > 
> > Sorry for late responses. Have a lot of work with OVS right now.
> > 
> > Regarding your question.
> > Current code looks like this:
> > 
> >  1. Update ring.
> >  2. virtio_wmb()
> >  3. Update idx.
> >  4. virtio_mb()
> >  5. read flags.
> >  6. notify.
> > 
> > virtio_mb() is here to avoid reordering of steps 3 and 5.
> > i.e. we need a full barrier to ensure the order between store (idx update)
> > and load (reading the flags). Otherwise we could miss the notification.
> > We can't avoid the barrier here, because even x86 does not guarantee the
> > ordering of the local load with earlier local store.
> 
> This is clear. You need the rte_smp_mb() here. My question is why you need the rte_mb() in case of vDPA? 
> As you said, all accesses are local. 

Are you asking why the different barriers? Or as you asking why is a barrier
needed at all?

The barriers themselves are clearly needed.

But in my opinion some dpdk barrier implementations are sub-optimal and too
strong.  For example on intel: the big question is whether anyone does
any non-temporals. In absence of these, and with non-cacheable mappings
on x86 wmb and rmb should be a nop, and mb should be a locked instruction.
It might make sense to add rte_dma_rmb/wmb/mb.




> Pasting you commit code:
> /*                                                                        
>  * Per virtio_ring.h in Linux.                                            
>  *     For virtio_pci on SMP, we don't need to order with respect to MMIO 
>  *     accesses through relaxed memory I/O windows, so smp_mb() et al are 
>  *     sufficient.                                                        
>  *                                                                        
>  *     For using virtio to talk to real devices (eg. vDPA) we do need real
>  *     barriers.                                                          
>  */                                                                       
> static inline void                                                        
> virtio_mb(uint8_t weak_barriers)                                          
> {                                                                         
>         if (weak_barriers)                                                
>                 rte_smp_mb();                                             
>         else                                                              
>                 rte_mb();                                                 
> }                                                                         
> 
> > 
> > >
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >>
> > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpa
> > >>
> > tches.dpdk.org%2Fpatch%2F49545%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cshahafs%40
> > mellan
> > >>
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> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> MST
> > >
> > >