From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dpdk.org (dpdk.org [92.243.14.124]) by dpdk.space (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB0EA00E6 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:31:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [92.243.14.124] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595011B19; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:31:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ACE239 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:31:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C592C21EFE; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:30:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=monjalon.net; h= from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; s=mesmtp; bh=04GJ8G5MnUA/neQ+mgqNmJ1K1+MUbP5bD1EcJV+qjjE=; b=bAIbzBpzbmxW 4OQ7snCF8OsLSejrjGOQiqSEIW6b0rqhSMCkC8kbDqYEUmfFTCJEtsInWMRpDLeH jyjNeLwnnSuO5ArRlgzWY4YB9WRu88mzi6qOJVbOTE0W66aLmAEeVYmp7wG2Mt8X s2AgEfvc9xH0UN7LS+pWMndRxf2zP/U= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=04GJ8G5MnUA/neQ+mgqNmJ1K1+MUbP5bD1EcJV+qj jE=; b=NtUzvgz4BXsCZGmCy+ook47m5ykgbX1IRvdwMS+eeZIi0PFvpekPglM6p 0evhEZoq1KcXLSuHWSaJcH7MDlAgVsKvO1MAqazJIKDeHAztxzTuHvilyfnfZwmI UoyqhVEo6XjELuXw7dbIAp4S+UBorm+3HG4H8MXbNHKCHWvZDT+DqZz+LEdg4onH 3odyvE/MuHKp3fH0xMy+VonJvLnNOAFmU3TX+TicRfgZOxQTe+JfxL81Vd0MMhmp XzpRG2qY8Ju050QxyRpZ5RnOhJc4ZcXX69WwV/piShQ5EMUfVlkguIZiW5f2SxmM XWAsF51sDLKq/5a6l+T/rv4EEA4hA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddrieeggddugedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufffkfgjfhgggfgtsehtufertddttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefvhhhomhgr shcuofhonhhjrghlohhnuceothhhohhmrghssehmohhnjhgrlhhonhdrnhgvtheqnecukf hppeejjedrudefgedrvddtfedrudekgeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhh ohhmrghssehmohhnjhgrlhhonhdrnhgvthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from xps.localnet (184.203.134.77.rev.sfr.net [77.134.203.184]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B2D2D10312; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Monjalon To: Ferruh Yigit Cc: Hyong Youb Kim , "John Daley (johndale)" , Andrew Rybchenko , Qi Zhang , "dev@dpdk.org" , Shahaf Shuler , Jerin Jacob , David Marchand , Maxime Coquelin , Konstantin Ananyev , Hemant Agrawal , Stephen Hemminger , gaetan.rivet@6wind.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:30:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3429576.gmczXWLcQl@xps> In-Reply-To: References: <20190305055659.3095-1-hyonkim@cisco.com> <1715472.XOf6rlv5YZ@xps> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] net/enic: add private API to set ingress VLAN rewrite mode X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Sender: "dev" Message-ID: <20190319203053.wbOIS4Prbddl-gqIhC9q6kEWDWhSNzIse0ppwKInL2A@z> 19/03/2019 19:00, Ferruh Yigit: > On 3/19/2019 5:36 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote: > > 19/03/2019 18:29, Ferruh Yigit: > >> On 3/14/2019 10:04 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote: > >>> 14/03/2019 03:58, Hyong Youb Kim: > >>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:29:53PM +0100, Thomas Monjalon wrote: > >>>>> 13/03/2019 22:11, John Daley (johndale): > >>>>>> From: Thomas Monjalon > >>>>>>> 13/03/2019 19:32, Ferruh Yigit: > >>>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 7:11 AM, Hyong Youb Kim wrote: > >>>>>>>>> The driver currently has a devarg to set the rewrite mode during > >>>>>>>>> init. Some apps want to programatically set it after running > >>>>>>>>> rte_eal_init() and finding that ports are VIC. Add a private > >>>>>>>>> function to support such applications. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It is not good idea to have PMD specific APIs (although we already have > >>>>>>> some). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Specific to this case, as far as I can see it is to pass a config > >>>>>>>> value and do the action related to it, what would you think having a > >>>>>>>> generic key/value set/get API in ethdev for this? Similar to rawdev > >>>>>>> get_attr/set_attr [1]? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My concern is it may turn into something like ioctl with many things > >>>>>>>> pushed to it, and cause possible duplication ... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, it is clearly ioctl style. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please could you explain more what is the rewrite mode? > >>>>>>> Does it apply to the port or the queue? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> It applies to a port. By default the Cisco VIC VLAN tags every packet on ingress even if they were untagged coming in on the wire. They are tagged with VLAN 0 or a VLAN id programmed into the NIC depending on the configuration. Its part of the original design, to maintain priority bits, ancient history. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some apps don't like this (VPP) or take a slower path (OVS). Hyong added a ig-vlan-rewrite=untag devarg to disable this (leave untagged/default vlan packets untagged) during rte_eal_init and this is helpful for OVS, but VPP likes to set the rewrite mode after rte_eal_init() and finding the ports are VIC ports. So that is the reasoning behind the private API call. > >>>>> > >>>>> It looks like an application will always set this flag or never. > >>>>> So I don't see the need for an API function. > >>>>> Why VPP prefers set this flag later? > >>>>> Would it be better to have some driver-specific flags, no matter the ports? > >>>> > >>>> As is, there seem to be two ways apps deal with NIC-specific tweaks/quirks. > >>>> > >>>> 1. Leave everything to the user. > >>>> > >>>> Let the human user specify NIC-specific settings (e.g. devarg, > >>>> not-so-standard MTU/MRU, offloads with not-so-uniform behavior). The > >>>> app simply passes these to DPDK and does nothing else. Devargs are > >>>> passed to rte_eal_init. Other settings are applied during the > >>>> configure phase after rte_eal_init. > >>>> > >>>> For example, OVS seems to go for a smallest common denominator that > >>>> works with most NICs out of the box. Otherwiese, it kinda falls into > >>>> this camp. > >>>> > >>>> For a problematic NIC that needs user intervention, troubleshooting > >>>> goes like this :-) > >>>> - Install app. > >>>> - Run with settings that worked on a previous machine. > >>>> - Some features suddenly do not work. > >>>> - Google search this and that ("why this does not work on this server?"). > >>>> - Contact vendors. > >>>> - Find out this NIC has unexpected behavior. > >>>> - Set devarg, tweak MTU/MRU, ... ("Oh need to set this for .."). > >>>> - Now the features work. > >>>> > >>>> 2. Hide ugly tweaks from the user. > >>>> > >>>> VPP falls into this camp. The user specifies BDFs in the config (no > >>>> devargs). The app calls rte_eal_init(BDFs), iterates through the > >>>> discovered ports, applies whatever NIC-specific settings necessary > >>>> during the configure phase (i.e. do this for vendor A NIC, do that for > >>>> vendor B NIC), and then start the ports. > >>>> > >>>> The ingress vlan rewrite mode is devarg now, so is not usable in this > >>>> model. One way around it is a private API. Driver specific flags > >>>> during the configure phase would also work fine. Though, enic might be > >>>> the only user of those flags. > >>> > >>> I think DPDK needs some driver configuration. > >>> Currently the config is done per device with devargs. > >>> The next devargs format allow this: > >>> driver=enic,rewrite=on > >>> and it can be passed to rte_eal_init(). > >>> > >>> We did not progress on the implementation of this format in recent months, > >>> but you are welcome to help! > >>> Instead of passing devargs in the whitelist/blacklist options, > >>> we should introduce a new option, like --dev. > >> > >> But it will be still devarg in new implementation. > > > > With the new syntax, no need to specify a device. > > We can match a driver or multiple drivers sharing the same property. > > > >> I guess for this use case, there is a need to pass this information from an API. > >> Options can be: > >> 1- PMD specific API > >> 2- Extend ethdev dev_ops for each usecase > >> 3- Have a generic API, as suggested above > >> 4- Extend configure to accept flags > >> > >> I don't see a winner in above list, each has some problems. Any comment on how > >> to proceed? > > > > I don't see a problem with the devargs approach. > > Devargs either passed via command line to DPDK application, or parameter to > hotplug APIs. The application can pass whatever it wants to EAL. In the case described above, the application wants to enable a mode of the driver for all its devices. That's why I think the right solution is a driver option, which can be achieved with the new devargs syntax. > If someone wants to use regular probe without any command line argument, and > later configure the device via an API, can devargs be used? This is a scenario different of what is asked above. In the case of a specific configuration of one device, we have three choices. These are your suggestions, with my comments: 1- PMD specific API 2- Extend ethdev dev_ops for each usecase (3- Have a generic API) = choice 2 (4- Extend configure to accept flags) = choice 1 This is a choice 3: - no support of exotic features