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From: Kevin Traynor <ktraynor@redhat.com>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
Cc: Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "techboard@dpdk.org" <techboard@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard]  DPDK ABI/API Stability
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 17:56:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d4dfde3-cf8c-8220-18a3-1542567cc3eb@redhat.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190404165651.C-nnT9As6ObLe_iETBpohF04aE6kJxuqnDudomilJ5U@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190404105447.GA1351@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>

On 04/04/2019 11:54, Bruce Richardson wrote:
<snip>

>
> My thoughts on the matter are:
> 1. I think we really need to do work to start hiding more of our data
> structures - like what Stephen's latest RFC does. This hiding should reduce
> the scope for ABI breaks.
> 2. Once done, I think we should commit to having an ABI break only in the
> rarest of circumstances, and only with very large justification. I want us
> to get to the point where DPDK releases can immediately be picked up by all
> linux distros and rolled out because they are ABI compatible.
> 

Maybe techboard should explicitly approve ABI breaks and new APIs (or
APIs at transition from experimental to core). Just as a way to get more
eyeballs and scrutiny on them.

> I'm not sure I like the idea of planned ABI break releases - that strikes
> me as a plan where we end up with the same number of ABI breaks as before,
> just balled into one release.
> 
> Question for Kevin, Luca and others who look at distro-packaging: is it the
> case that each distro will only ship one version of DPDK, or is it possible
> that if we have ABI breaks, a distro will provide two copies of DPDK
> simultaneously, e.g. a 19.11 ABI version and a 20.11 ABI version?
> 

It would probably double validation and maintenance, so it would require
a lot of extra effort.

> 
> So, in short, I'm generally in favour of a zero-tolerance approach for DPDK
> ABI breaks, and having ABI breaks as a major event reserved only for
> massive rework changes, such as major mbuf changes, or new memory layout or
> similar.
> 
> Regards,
> /Bruce
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-04 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-03 15:42 [dpdk-dev] " Ray Kinsella
2019-04-03 15:42 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-03 19:53 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-03 19:53   ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04  9:29 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04  9:29   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 10:54   ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 10:54     ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 12:02     ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 12:02       ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 13:05       ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:05         ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:10         ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 13:10           ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-05 13:25           ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:25             ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-07  9:37             ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-07  9:37               ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-04 13:21         ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 13:21           ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 12:52     ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 12:52       ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 14:07       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 14:07         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-07  9:48         ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-07  9:48           ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-08  9:04           ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08  9:04             ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 10:15             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 10:15               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:00               ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 13:00                 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 13:38                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:38                   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:58                   ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 13:58                     ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 14:02                     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 14:02                       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 14:38                       ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 14:38                         ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 15:13                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-08 15:13                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-08 15:49                         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 15:49                           ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-10  8:35                           ` David Marchand
2019-04-10  8:35                             ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 15:50                         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 15:50                           ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-09  9:42                   ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-09  9:42                     ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-14  0:42             ` Neil Horman
2019-04-14  0:42               ` Neil Horman
2019-04-15  9:10               ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-15  9:10                 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 15:51     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-04 15:51       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-04 16:37       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 16:37         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 16:56     ` Kevin Traynor [this message]
2019-04-04 16:56       ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 19:08       ` Wiles, Keith
2019-04-04 19:08         ` Wiles, Keith
2019-04-04 20:13         ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 20:13           ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-05 13:30           ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:30             ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:29         ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:29           ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04  9:47 ` [dpdk-dev] " Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04  9:47   ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 13:16   ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:16     ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-10  5:14 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10  5:14   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10  9:03   ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Bruce Richardson
2019-04-10  9:03     ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-10  9:43   ` [dpdk-dev] " Luca Boccassi
2019-04-10  9:43     ` Luca Boccassi

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