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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>
Cc: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"Gaëtan Rivet" <grive@u256.net>, "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC] replace master/slave with primary/secondary
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:45:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200605104510.150496d0@hermes.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BB2AB9C5-8FA1-4DD1-B477-4C94550A7510@intel.com>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:10:05 +0000
"Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com> wrote:

> >>> 
> >>> I'd propose instead leader lcore - there is this idea that the leader
> >>> is still a member of the team and will participate in the work.
> >>> 
> >>> Leader / worker?
> >>>   
> >> 
> >> I personally doubt such changes are needed at all.
> >> Code churn will be massive for both DPDK itself and related user projects.
> >> With no real gain in return, from my perspective.
> >> Konstantin
> >>   
> > 
> > Your concern is valid but the issue does need to be addressed.
> > If now when? This is as a good a time as any to do it.
> > 
> > Increasing diversity and inclusion is an overarching goal of many organizations
> > include my employer(Microsoft), the parent organization of DPDK(LF)
> > and my values.
> > 
> > Following values is more important than minor replacement of text in API.  
> 
> I feel like Konstantin is correct here.
> 
> If we were using these terms for humans or groups of humans, then I would agree they should be changed. We need to take into account the context of the reference to these words. I agree some words should never be used in any context, but these terms are very reasonable in the context of DPDK and networking.

Have to disagree, the words matter. This has been discussed many times.
Please look at the footnotes from the Gnome post


[0] - <https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/Language/NonSexist/vuw.non-sexist-language-guidelines.txt>, <https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok/status/933011085594066944>

[1] - <https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692>
[2] - <https://bugs.python.org/issue34605>

[3] - <https://github.com/rust-lang-deprecated/rust-buildbot/issues/2>, <https://github.com/rust-community/foss-events-planner/issues/58>

[4] - <https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248>
[5] - <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/geary/issues/324>

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-05 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-04 21:02 [dpdk-dev] [RFC] doc: change to diverse and inclusive language Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05  1:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC] replace master/slave with primary/secondary Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 10:43   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-06-05 11:14     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-06-05 16:33       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 17:10         ` Wiles, Keith
2020-06-05 17:45           ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2020-06-05 19:23             ` Wiles, Keith
2020-06-05 19:53               ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 20:09                 ` Wiles, Keith
2020-06-05 11:28     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 12:15       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-06-05 15:27     ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05  7:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC] doc: change to diverse and inclusive language Luca Boccassi
2020-06-05  8:35   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 21:40 ` Aaron Conole
2020-06-05 22:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 00/26] Change references to master/slave to Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 01/26] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-29 17:04     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 02/26] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 03/26] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 04/26] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 05/26] drivers: replace master/slave terminolgy Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 06/26] examples/distrutor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 07/26] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 08/26] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 09/26] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 10/26] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 11/26] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 12/26] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 13/26] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 14/26] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 15/26] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 16/26] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 17/26] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 18/26] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 19/26] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 20/26] app/test: repalce refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 21/26] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 22/26] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in samples Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 23/26] doc: replace master lcore terminology Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 24/26] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 25/26] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 26/26] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/27] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/27] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/27] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/27] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/27] drivers: replace master/slave terminolgy Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/27] examples/distrutor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/27] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/27] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/27] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/27] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/27] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/27] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/27] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/27] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/27] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/27] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 17/27] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 18/27] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 19/27] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20/27] app/test: replace refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 21/27] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 22/27] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in documentation Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 23/27] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 24/27] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 25/27] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 26/27] memif: replace master/slave with server/client Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 27/27] vhost: rename SLAVE to CLIENT Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/27] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 14:07     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/27] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/27] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:26     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/27] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:37     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/27] drivers: replace master/slave terminology Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:52     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/27] examples/distributor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:53     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/27] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:56     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/27] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:59     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/27] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 13:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-09-10  9:52       ` Dumitrescu, Cristian
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/27] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:31     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/27] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:46     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/27] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:51     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/27] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:53     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/27] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:09     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/27] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/27] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:27     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 17/27] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:33     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 18/27] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:39     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 19/27] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:41     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 20/27] app/test: replace refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 21/27] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 22/27] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in documentation Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 14:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 23/27] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:25     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 24/27] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 12:56     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 25/27] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:28     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-15 20:29       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-16 13:41         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-16 22:04           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 15:21             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-17 15:35               ` Dmitry Kozliuk
2020-07-17 15:43                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-17 15:44                   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-18  2:22               ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-20 12:32                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-20 18:51                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-22  9:05                     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-22 10:07                       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-22 13:53                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-16 22:05           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 26/27] memif: replace master/slave with server/client Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 13:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-18  2:23       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 27/27] vhost: rename SLAVE to CLIENT Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-02 11:17     ` Xia, Chenbo
2020-07-03  7:36       ` Adrian Moreno
2020-07-13 11:05   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-13 12:33   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 0/6] Inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-29  9:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-29  9:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-28  5:16   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 0/6] Inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 0/6] inclusive " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:42     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-08-06 16:49     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 17:00       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:14         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:42     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:45     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-07-30 15:10       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 16:53     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 16:55     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 16:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 0/6] inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-07 10:45     ` Mcnamara, John
2020-08-06 17:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07  0:10     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07  0:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-07  8:43       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07 10:45   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 0/6] inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Mcnamara, John
2020-08-07 10:56     ` Thomas Monjalon

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