From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dpdk.org (dpdk.org [92.243.14.124]) by inbox.dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59141A034E; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:45:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [92.243.14.124] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673D01D514; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com (mail-pf1-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F2E1D510 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:45:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 23so4409695pfw.10 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VdvvOMhoo94t6U7c56VgAPtdl80bZrQRAdKXdyObtk8=; b=j3dBXskN1V3xTI4Rm8mq5Pe5FZigrzrthMypB08MM+GvJ78Yn2HaF7FwY16QsoFEFU jON+JwmE8mljcfXieLXGE5if53GVc0O6J+o26JRI6GwCtb9EuUWsCuW9vq+fITwTawp8 ER11hZC7F78Db/WmHgzFhjxxw8U9hjIfDWou4lbIeS6glMj1Rp7BSlTvu+QOX29asmeT qp2lp5DnuXXu6LfRrCbFZUsOUtxAoPZwP6gm8XISM5wEvMmM6fD4jYSMQ6mXOt7vLhPQ Ni0Lp5n17QJaR9a2Kd+agWAEX0ePhBvwGCtQ12tcI6BG7h7he3TFiYiSgCj65KbQdmcM VvVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VdvvOMhoo94t6U7c56VgAPtdl80bZrQRAdKXdyObtk8=; b=cjDhXdcXKZ+ljAJFmk/I/GSAlqKZzc6Hjg6lxDCkDDAPrO5BGrDPoWB4bn7Bzk0bnQ LwFp6z9VN1acC8Kma2G5mLpRRiNYalYc6iKsV593oQvTsPzoldHnJ4NNFLrqOHj3+Cu8 Bqj+9Fn9TF9jGWBWAB3GEe1WrurPNh0tGcuk5lNn+Z2FXKIf7GhzVqwmjtcmjdaLWPi/ wLuOIVaIwk8n0JDJH5Z7DuV34z+ZGWPHKlljDWItWNFnHUdd6g+1ClPS8IVf/p3vq81f 6mQaOwZhRXlGIGMmSAfl2NHOkqPmtBj1RvdhOZsS6sIagVXa06EULDqlOjpBSWAAFSd8 eclg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5317S0ZGvawiPg0oZ7RvMGZhFrqXKAtAEYg/tJqcd1ug7SKOnFkk Nnf4ewZ3gd/wUbFmYjyfV50nwA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw8rjYDHoRb7HKAPcWkGRoc+AbTQH/2pl4QnZ0jSVtcWWmRBFqUhfqnR5/zAT3IaDXUAL4TDw== X-Received: by 2002:a65:6703:: with SMTP id u3mr10344811pgf.179.1591379119488; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lan (204-195-22-127.wavecable.com. [204.195.22.127]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y4sm198752pfr.182.2020.06.05.10.45.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:45:10 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: "Wiles, Keith" Cc: "Ananyev, Konstantin" , =?UTF-8?B?R2E=?= =?UTF-8?B?w6t0YW4=?= Rivet , "dev@dpdk.org" Message-ID: <20200605104510.150496d0@hermes.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <20200604210200.25405-1-stephen@networkplumber.org> <20200604180409.4a2831c3@hermes.lan> <20200605104247.kilea5nfktlf7mlm@u256.net> <20200605093356.0e095587@hermes.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC] replace master/slave with primary/secondary X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Sender: "dev" On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:10:05 +0000 "Wiles, Keith" wrote: > >>> > >>> I'd propose instead leader lcore - there is this idea that the leader > >>> is still a member of the team and will participate in the work. > >>> > >>> Leader / worker? > >>> > >> > >> I personally doubt such changes are needed at all. > >> Code churn will be massive for both DPDK itself and related user projects. > >> With no real gain in return, from my perspective. > >> Konstantin > >> > > > > Your concern is valid but the issue does need to be addressed. > > If now when? This is as a good a time as any to do it. > > > > Increasing diversity and inclusion is an overarching goal of many organizations > > include my employer(Microsoft), the parent organization of DPDK(LF) > > and my values. > > > > Following values is more important than minor replacement of text in API. > > I feel like Konstantin is correct here. > > If we were using these terms for humans or groups of humans, then I would agree they should be changed. We need to take into account the context of the reference to these words. I agree some words should never be used in any context, but these terms are very reasonable in the context of DPDK and networking. Have to disagree, the words matter. This has been discussed many times. Please look at the footnotes from the Gnome post [0] - , [1] - [2] - [3] - , [4] - [5] -