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From: Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: Slava Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>,
	NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	dev@dpdk.org, techboard@dpdk.org,
	Ajit Khaparde <ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com>,
	"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
	"Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	david.marchand@redhat.com, "Richardson,
	Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	jerinj@marvell.com, honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com,
	maxime.coquelin@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org,
	hemant.agrawal@nxp.com, Matan Azrad <matan@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 16:00:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201104150053.GI1898@platinum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35C613DF@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Slava Ovsiienko
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:03 PM
> > 
> > Hi, Morten
> > 
> > > From: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 14:10
> > >
> > > > From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:58 PM
> > > >
> > > > +Cc techboard
> > > >
> > > > We need benchmark numbers in order to take a decision.
> > > > Please all, prepare some arguments and numbers so we can discuss
> > the
> > > > mbuf layout in the next techboard meeting.

I did some quick tests, and it appears to me that just moving the pool
pointer to the first cache line has not a significant impact.

However, I agree with Morten that there is some room for optimization
around m->pool: I did a hack in the ixgbe driver to assume there is only
one mbuf pool. This simplifies a lot the freeing of mbufs in Tx, because
we don't have to group them in bulks that shares the same pool (see
ixgbe_tx_free_bufs()). The impact of this hack is quite good: +~5% on a
real-life forwarding use case.

It is maybe possible to store the pool in the sw ring to avoid a later
access to m->pool. Having a pool index as suggested by Morten would also
help to reduce used room in sw ring in this case. But this is a bit
off-topic :)



> > > I propose that the techboard considers this from two angels:
> > >
> > > 1. Long term goals and their relative priority. I.e. what can be
> > achieved with
> > > wide-ranging modifications, requiring yet another ABI break and due
> > notices.
> > >
> > > 2. Short term goals, i.e. what can be achieved for this release.
> > >
> > >
> > > My suggestions follow...
> > >
> > > 1. Regarding long term goals:
> > >
> > > I have argued that simple forwarding of non-segmented packets using
> > only the
> > > first mbuf cache line can be achieved by making three
> > > modifications:
> > >
> > > a) Move m->tx_offload to the first cache line.
> > Not all PMDs use this field on Tx. HW might support the checksum
> > offloads
> > directly, not requiring these fields at all.

To me, a driver should use m->tx_offload, because the application
specifies the offset where the checksum has to be done, in case the hw
is not able to recognize the protocol.

> > > b) Use an 8 bit pktmbuf mempool index in the first cache line,
> > >    instead of the 64 bit m->pool pointer in the second cache line.
> > 256 mpool looks enough, as for me. Regarding the indirect access to the
> > pool
> > (via some table) - it might introduce some performance impact.
> 
> It might, but I hope that it is negligible, so the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.
> 
> It would have to be measured, though.
> 
> And m->pool is only used for free()'ing (and detach()'ing) mbufs.
> 
> > For example,
> > mlx5 PMD strongly relies on pool field for allocating mbufs in Rx
> > datapath.
> > We're going to update (o-o, we found point to optimize), but for now it
> > does.
> 
> Without looking at the source code, I don't think the PMD is using m->pool in the RX datapath, I think it is using a pool dedicated to a receive queue used for RX descriptors in the PMD (i.e. driver->queue->pool).
> 
> > 
> > > c) Do not access m->next when we know that it is NULL.
> > >    We can use m->nb_segs == 1 or some other invariant as the gate.
> > >    It can be implemented by adding an m->next accessor function:
> > >    struct rte_mbuf * rte_mbuf_next(struct rte_mbuf * m)
> > >    {
> > >        return m->nb_segs == 1 ? NULL : m->next;
> > >    }
> > 
> > Sorry, not sure about this. IIRC, nb_segs is valid in the first
> > segment/mbuf  only.
> > If we have the 4 segments in the pkt we see nb_seg=4 in the first one,
> > and the nb_seg=1
> > in the others. The next field is NULL in the last mbuf only. Am I wrong
> > and miss something ?
> 
> You are correct.
> 
> This would have to be updated too. Either by increasing m->nb_seg in the following segments, or by splitting up relevant functions into functions for working on first segments (incl. non-segmented packets), and functions for working on following segments of segmented packets.

Instead of maintaining a valid nb_segs, a HAS_NEXT flag would be easier
to implement. However it means that an accessor needs to be used instead
of any m->next access.

> > > Regarding the priority of this goal, I guess that simple forwarding
> > of non-
> > > segmented packets is probably the path taken by the majority of
> > packets
> > > handled by DPDK.
> > >
> > > An alternative goal could be:
> > > Do not touch the second cache line during RX.
> > > A comment in the mbuf structure says so, but it is not true anymore.
> > >
> > > (I guess that regression testing didn't catch this because the tests
> > perform TX
> > > immediately after RX, so the cache miss just moves from the TX to the
> > RX part
> > > of the test application.)
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Regarding short term goals:
> > >
> > > The current DPDK source code looks to me like m->next is the most
> > frequently
> > > accessed field in the second cache line, so it makes sense moving
> > this to the
> > > first cache line, rather than m->pool.
> > > Benchmarking may help here.
> > 
> > Moreover, for the segmented packets the packet size is supposed to be
> > large,
> > and it imposes the relatively low packet rate, so probably optimization
> > of
> > moving next to the 1st cache line might be negligible at all. Just
> > compare 148Mpps of
> > 64B pkts and 4Mpps of 3000B pkts over 100Gbps link. Currently we are on
> > benchmarking
> > and did not succeed yet on difference finding. The benefit can't be
> > expressed in mpps delta,
> > we should measure CPU clocks, but Rx queue is almost always empty - we
> > have an empty
> > loops. So, if we have the boost - it is extremely hard to catch one.
> 
> Very good point regarding the value of such an optimization, Slava!
> 
> And when free()'ing packets, both m->next and m->pool are touched.
> 
> So perhaps the free()/detach() functions in the mbuf library can be modified to handle first segments (and non-segmented packets) and following segments differently, so accessing m->next can be avoided for non-segmented packets. Then m->pool should be moved to the first cache line.
> 

I also think that Moving m->pool without doing something else about
m->next is probably useless. And it's too late for 20.11 to do
additionnal changes, so I suggest to postpone the field move to 21.11,
once we have a clearer view of possible optimizations.

Olivier

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-04 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-29  9:27 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/15] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/15] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/15] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:58   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:19     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/15] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:08   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:12     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:33       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:46         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/15] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:13   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:40     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:20   ` Pattan, Reshma
2020-10-29 16:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/15] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/15] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/15] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/15] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/15] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/15] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:02   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:34     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:37       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:52     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-10-30 12:41       ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-01 16:12         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:00         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 11/15] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 12/15] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:20   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:43     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:52       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 13/15] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:21   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:44     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 14/15] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:23   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:18     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29 14:48   ` Kinsella, Ray
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:50   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:56     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:15       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-10-29 18:45         ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-31 18:20           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half Morten Brørup
2020-10-31 20:40             ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01  9:12               ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-01 16:21                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 16:38                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:59                   ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-02 15:58                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:10                       ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 12:25                         ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 13:46                           ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 13:50                             ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 14:03                               ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 14:02                         ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 15:03                           ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-04 15:00                             ` Olivier Matz [this message]
2020-11-05  0:25                               ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-11-05  9:04                                 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05  9:35                                 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05 10:29                                   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-10-29 14:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Kinsella, Ray
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/14] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/14] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/14] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:39     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:52       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/14] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/14] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:32     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:10       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/14] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/14] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/14] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02  5:08     ` Ruifeng Wang
2020-11-02 23:20     ` David Christensen
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/14] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/14] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:28     ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-02  9:38       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 11:01         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/14] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/14] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/14] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/14] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:41     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 15:47       ` David Marchand
2020-11-02 15:49         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  9:33     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  9:59       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  9:18     ` Hemant Agrawal
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  8:12     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  8:12     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:20     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:52     ` Harman Kalra
2020-11-03 11:22       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:23           ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Harman Kalra
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:23     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  7:54     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  9:00   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp David Marchand
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:34     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:37     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 13:08       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:40     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:42     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:45     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 19:07     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 14:44     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 16:08   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 16:20     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 17:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 17:55         ` Thomas Monjalon

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