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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "thomas@monjalon.net" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	Diogo Behrens <diogo.behrens@huawei.com>,
	"david.marchand@redhat.com" <david.marchand@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] librte_eal: fix mcslock hang on weak memory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:44:03 -0800
Message-ID: <20201123074403.054d08aa@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DBAPR08MB5814D57D0B9D2850A609237098FC0@DBAPR08MB5814.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:06:06 +0000
Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com> wrote:

> <snip>
> 
> > > >
> > > > 07/10/2020 11:55, Diogo Behrens:  
> > > > > Hi Thomas,
> > > > >
> > > > > we are still waiting for the comments from Honnappa. In our
> > > > > understanding, the missing barrier is a bug according to the
> > > > > model. We reproduced the scenario in herd7, which represents
> > > > > the authoritative memory model:
> > > > > https://developer.arm.com/architectures/cpu-architecture/a-profile
> > > > > /mem
> > > > > ory-model-tool
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a litmus code that shows that the XCHG (when compiled
> > > > > to LDAXR  
> > > > and STLR) is not atomic wrt memory updates to other locations:  
> > > > > -----
> > > > > AArch64 XCHG-nonatomic
> > > > > {
> > > > > 0:X1=locked; 0:X3=next;
> > > > > 1:X1=locked; 1:X3=next; 1:X5=tail; }
> > > > >  P0		| P1;
> > > > >  LDR W0, [X3]	| MOV W0, #1;
> > > > >  CBZ W0, end	| STR W0, [X1]; (* init locked *)
> > > > >  MOV W2, #2	| MOV W2, #0;
> > > > >  STR W2, [X1]	| xchg:;
> > > > >  end:		| LDAXR W6, [X5];
> > > > >  NOP		| STLXR W4, W0, [X5];
> > > > >  NOP		| CBNZ W4, xchg;
> > > > >  NOP		| STR W0, [X3]; (* set next *)
> > > > > exists
> > > > > (0:X2=2 /\ locked=1)
> > > > > -----
> > > > > (web version of herd7:
> > > > > http://diy.inria.fr/www/?record=aarch64)
> > > > >
> > > > > P1 is trying to acquire the lock:
> > > > > - initializes locked
> > > > > - does the xchg on the tail of the mcslock
> > > > > - sets the next
> > > > >
> > > > > P0 is releasing the lock:
> > > > > - if next is not set, just terminates
> > > > > - if next is set, stores 2 in locked
> > > > >
> > > > > The initialization of locked should never overwrite the store
> > > > > 2 to locked, but  
> > > > it does.  
> > > > > To avoid that reordering to happen, one should make the last
> > > > > store of P1 to  
> > > > have a "release" barrier, ie, STLR.  
> > > > >
> > > > > This is equivalent to the reordering occurring in the mcslock
> > > > > of librte_eal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > -Diogo
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:50 PM
> > > > > To: Phil Yang <Phil.Yang@arm.com>; Diogo Behrens
> > > > > <diogo.behrens@huawei.com>; Honnappa Nagarahalli
> > > > > <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
> > > > > Cc: dev@dpdk.org; nd <nd@arm.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] librte_eal: fix mcslock hang
> > > > > on weak memory
> > > > >
> > > > > 31/08/2020 20:45, Honnappa Nagarahalli:  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Diogo,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your explanation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As documented in  
> > > > https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0487/fc  B2.9.5 Load-
> > > > Exclusive and Store-Exclusive instruction usage restrictions:  
> > > > > > " Between the Load-Exclusive and the Store-Exclusive, there
> > > > > > are no explicit memory accesses, preloads, direct or
> > > > > > indirect System register writes, address translation
> > > > > > instructions, cache or TLB  
> > > > maintenance instructions, exception generating instructions,
> > > > exception returns, or indirect branches."  
> > > > > > [Honnappa] This is a requirement on the software, not on the
> > > > > > micro-  
> > > > architecture.  
> > > > > > We are having few discussions internally, will get back
> > > > > > soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So it is not allowed to insert (1) & (4) between (2, 3). The
> > > > > > cmpxchg  
> > > > operation is atomic.  
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please what is the conclusion?  
> > > Apologies for not updating on this sooner.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, memory ordering questions are hard topics. I have
> > > been  
> > discussing this internally with few experts and it is still
> > ongoing, hope to conclude soon.  
> > >
> > > My focus has been to replace __atomic_exchange_n(msl, me,  
> > __ATOMIC_ACQ_REL) with __atomic_exchange_n(msl, me,
> > __ATOMIC_SEQ_CST). However, the generated code is the same in the
> > second case as well (for load-store exclusives), which I am not
> > sure if it is correct.  
> > >
> > > I think we have 2 choices here:
> > > 1) Accept the patch - when my internal discussion concludes, I
> > > can make the  
> > change and backport according to the conclusion.  
> > > 2) Wait till the discussion is over - it might take another
> > > couple of weeks  
> > 
> > One month passed since this last update.
> > We are keeping this issue in DPDK 20.11.0 I guess.
> >   
> I can accept this patch and move forward for 20.11. It is a stronger
> barrier and I do not see any issues from the code perspective. I will
> run tests on few platforms and provide my ACK.
> 
> It is work in progress with few changes for me to make sure we have
> an optimal solution for all platforms. Those changes can go into
> 21.02.

Has anyone investigated later developments in concurrency?
While researching MCS Lock discovered this quote:
https://mfukar.github.io/2017/09/26/mcs.html
	Luckily, we don’t have to worry about this very much. MCS locks
	right now are mostly a teaching tool, and have mostly been superseded by:

	CLH locks: Craig, Landin, and Hagersten locks replace the explicit
		queue for a logical queue 
	K42 locks: On-stack information is used instead of keeping a thread-local
		queue node around.
	A similar idea is used by the stack-lock algorithm.

Note: K42 locks are patented by IBM.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-23 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-26  9:20 Diogo Behrens
2020-08-26 10:17 ` Phil Yang
2020-08-27  8:56   ` Diogo Behrens
2020-08-28  9:19     ` Phil Yang
2020-08-31 18:45       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-10-06 21:49         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-07  9:55           ` Diogo Behrens
2020-10-20 11:56             ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-20 21:49               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-11-22 18:07                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-23 15:06                   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-11-23 15:44                     ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2020-11-23 18:16                       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-11-23 18:29 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-11-23 19:36   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-25  4:50     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2020-11-25  8:41       ` Diogo Behrens
2020-11-25 14:16   ` Thomas Monjalon

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