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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: fengchengwen <fengchengwen@huawei.com>
Cc: Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>, <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@xilinx.com>,
	"lihuisong@huawei.com" <lihuisong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: Minutes of Technical Board Meeting, 2022-06-01
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 19:30:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220608193050.589a5701@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15e07c9f-e1ba-a789-0ef3-c8d8e1d820c0@huawei.com>

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:07:28 +0800
fengchengwen <fengchengwen@huawei.com> wrote:

> On 2022/6/9 9:31, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 08:41:35 +0800
> > fengchengwen <fengchengwen@huawei.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> [snip]
> >>  
> >>>
> >>> 4) Removal of KNI
> >>> -----------------
> >>>
> >>> There is no more maintainer for KNI.
> >>>
> >>> A progressive removal proposal was made:
> >>> - add a message at runtime and/or compilation to announce deprecation
> >>> - remove KNI example after 22.11
> >>> - remove lib + kmod from main repo for 23.11    
> >>
> >> We still use KNI in some business scenarios, and we want to maintain it in this case.  
> > 
> > 
> > Why?  
> 
> The KNI module can be used in following scenarios: when the PF is taken over by the DPDK,
> some traffic needs to be transmitted through the kernel protocol stack, we did have this
> application scenario.
> 
> If do not proactively maintain the KNI, security risks may occur. and this's our starting point.

What is wrong with TAP or virtio user for your application?

KNI already is a security risk, it implicitly trusts userspace.

> 
> >   
> >>
> >> I recommend Huisong Li (lihuisong@huawei.com) as the new maintainer of the KNI.
> >>
> >> He has been involved in the community for several years and submitted some
> >> bugfix patches of KNI.  
> > 
> > KNI has several unfixable architectural issues.  
> 
> Could you show detail on this ?

The fact that KNI calls user mode holding the RTNL mutex is only one of many
places where KNI trusts user space.

> > It would never pass a full upstream kernel review.
> > 
> > I hope you realize the security impacts of this.  
> 
> Is there another option to act like KNI role ?

Virtio user has been used as a better alternative. Bruce has recently taken
on providing more documentation to make the transistion easier.

One other option is you are free to take KNI on as a project that is maintained
in parallel with DPDK (like TREX and some other packages).


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-09  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-07 13:48 Olivier Matz
2022-06-09  0:41 ` fengchengwen
2022-06-09  1:31   ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-06-09  2:07     ` fengchengwen
2022-06-09  2:30       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2022-06-30 12:05 ` David Marchand

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