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From: Tyler Retzlaff <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>
To: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "Heng Wang" <heng.wang@ericsson.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	techboard@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:52:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240430165251.GA7283@linuxonhyperv3.guj3yctzbm1etfxqx2vob5hsef.xx.internal.cloudapp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e469926-0c09-42a4-aa8f-8cde0578690b@lysator.liu.se>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 11:39:17AM +0200, Mattias Rönnblom wrote:

[ ... ]

> >
> >>
> >>The only reason for _Atomic being as it is, as far as I can see, is to
> >>accommodate for ISAs which does not have the appropriate atomic machine
> >>instructions, and thus require a lock or some other data associated with
> >>the actual user-data-carrying bits. Neither GCC nor DPDK supports any
> >>such ISAs, to my knowledge. I suspect neither never will. So the cast
> >>will continue to work.
> >
> >I tend to agree with you on this.
> >
> >We should officially decide that DPDK treats RTE_ATOMIC types as a union of _Atomic and non-atomic, i.e. operations on RTE_ATOMIC types can be both atomic and non-atomic.
> >
> 
> I think this is a subject which needs to be further explored.
> 
> Objects that can be accessed both atomically and non-atomically
> should be without _Atomic. With my current understanding of this
> issue, that seems like the best option.

i've been distracted by other work and while not in the scope of this
series i want to say +1 to having this discussion. utilizing a union for
this atomic vs non-atomic access that appears in practice is a good idea.

> 
> You could turn it around as well, and have such marked _Atomic and
> have explicit casts to their non-_Atomic cousins when operated upon
> by non-atomic functions. Not sure how realistic that is, since
> non-atomicity is the norm. All generic selection-based "functions"
> must take this into account.

the problem with casts is they are actually different types and may have
different size and/or alignment relative to their non-atomic types.
for current non-locking atomics the implementations happen to be the
same (presumably because it was practical) but the union is definitely a
cleaner approach.

> 
> >>
> >>>>+				      unsigned int nr, int memory_order) \
> >>>>+	{								\
> >>>>+		RTE_ASSERT(nr < size);					\
> >>>>+									\
> >>>>+		const RTE_ATOMIC(uint ## size ## _t) *a_addr =		\
> >>>>+			(const RTE_ATOMIC(uint ## size ## _t) *)addr;	\
> >>>>+		uint ## size ## _t mask = (uint ## size ## _t)1 << nr;	\
> >>>>+		return rte_atomic_load_explicit(a_addr, memory_order) &
> >>mask; \
> >>>>+	}
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Similar considerations regarding volatile qualifier for the "once"
> >>operations.
> >>>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-30 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-02 13:53 [RFC 0/7] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 1/7] eal: extend bit manipulation functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 17:05   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-03  6:26     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04 16:34       ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 18:01         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 18:06           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-25  8:58   ` [RFC v2 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51       ` [RFC v3 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29 11:12           ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30  9:55           ` [RFC v4 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08               ` [RFC v5 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                   ` [RFC v6 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                       ` [RFC v7 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 19:17                           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  6:47                             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  7:33                               ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  8:00                                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  8:11                                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  9:27                                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08 10:08                                       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08 15:15                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08 16:16                                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-03  6:41                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-03 23:30                         ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-05-04 15:36                           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 10:37               ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30 11:58                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 10:25       ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-25 14:36         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 16:18           ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-26  9:39             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 12:00               ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:37                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  7:24                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30 16:52               ` Tyler Retzlaff [this message]
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 18:05     ` [RFC v2 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-26 11:17       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 21:35     ` Patrick Robb
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 2/7] eal: add generic bit manipulation macros Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04  8:16   ` Heng Wang
2024-03-04 15:41     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04 16:42   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 18:08     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 18:22       ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 20:02         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 20:53           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 3/7] eal: add bit manipulation functions which read or write once Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 4/7] eal: add generic once-type bit operations macros Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 5/7] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 6/7] eal: add generic " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 7/7] eal: deprecate relaxed family of " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 17:07   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-03  6:30     ` Mattias Rönnblom

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