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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: "Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	<dev@dpdk.org>, "nd" <nd@arm.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 15:49:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240519154929.3435cbbf@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F481@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Sun, 19 May 2024 19:10:30 +0200
Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com> wrote:

> Absolutely; whenever possible, local counters should be maintained inside the loop, and added to the public counters at the end of a loop.
> 
> Please note that application counters might be spread all over memory.
> E.g. per-flow in a flow structure, per QoS class in a QoS class structure, per subscriber in a subscriber structure, etc. And a burst of packets might touch multiple of these. My point is: Atomic read-modify-write of counters will cause serious stalling, waiting for memory access

If an application needs to keep up at DPDK possible speeds, then it needs to worry about its
cache access patterns. Last time I checked handling 10G 64 byte packets at line rate without loss
means a maximum of 2 cache misses. Very hard to do with any non trivial application.

Also, SW QoS above 1G is very hard to do with modern CPU's. Especially with multiple flows.
It maybe possible with something like FQ Codel which only keeps small amount of state.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-19 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-25 17:46 [RFC] net/af_packet: make stats reset reliable Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 11:33 ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-26 13:37   ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:56     ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:42   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 14:38 ` [RFC v2] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:47   ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:11   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-01 16:19     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02  5:51       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 14:22         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 15:59           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 18:20             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 17:37           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 18:26             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 21:26               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 21:46                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07  7:23     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 13:49       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:51         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 16:00           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 16:54             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 18:47               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08  7:48             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:28           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:25         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 19:19       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  6:34         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  7:10           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  7:23             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 21:28 ` [RFC] " Patrick Robb
2024-05-03 15:45 ` [RFC v3] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-03 22:00   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 13:48     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:52       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 17:27         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08  7:19     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08 15:23       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08 19:48         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08 20:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-09  7:43             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09  9:29               ` Bruce Richardson
2024-05-09 11:37                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09 14:19                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-10  4:56                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  9:14                       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-26  7:10                         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:07                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:03                   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:21         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 15:27   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 17:40     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-10  5:01 ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 1/3] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 2/3] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 3/3] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10 17:29   ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Morten Brørup
2024-05-10 19:30     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52   ` [RFC v2 0/7] generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 19:36       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 4/7] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 6/7] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 7/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15  9:30       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-15 15:03         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 16:18           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-26  7:34         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  6:45       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] net/af_xdp: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Generic 64 bit counters for SW PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:41     ` [PATCH v4 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:22       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-16 21:42         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:39           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:29             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:39               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:30       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-17  0:19         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters for SW drivers Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:45       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:30         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:26           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  6:44             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 16:18               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-18 14:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 15:13                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-19 17:10                     ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 22:49                       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2024-05-20  7:57                         ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:07             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 13:34       ` Loftus, Ciara
2024-05-17 14:54         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Use weak atomic operations for SW PMD counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00   ` [PATCH v8 0/8] Common statistics routines for SW based PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16   ` [PATCH v9 0/8] Common statistics for SW PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22  8:31       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 15:33         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 18:09           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 19:53             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 20:56               ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 15:37         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 17:57           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 19:01             ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-05-22 19:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-26 14:46                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26 14:39               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12   ` [PATCH v10 0/8] Common statistics for software PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger

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