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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Laatz <kevin.laatz@intel.com>,
	Jerin Jacob <jerinjacobk@gmail.com>,
	Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>, Conor Walsh <conor.walsh@intel.com>,
	David Hunt <david.hunt@intel.com>,
	Nicolas Chautru <nicolas.chautru@intel.com>,
	Fan Zhang <roy.fan.zhang@intel.com>,
	Ashish Gupta <ashish.gupta@marvell.com>,
	Akhil Goyal <gakhil@marvell.com>,
	Chengwen Feng <fengchengwen@huawei.com>,
	Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>,
	Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@xilinx.com>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
	Jerin Jacob <jerinj@marvell.com>,
	Sachin Saxena <sachin.saxena@oss.nxp.com>,
	Hemant Agrawal <hemant.agrawal@nxp.com>,
	Ori Kam <orika@nvidia.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] eal: add lcore poll busyness telemetry
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:53:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2555175.9Mp67QZiUf@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YwyXyFZVXhuK1lua@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>

29/08/2022 12:41, Bruce Richardson:
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 05:46:48PM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > From: Kevin Laatz [mailto:kevin.laatz@intel.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, 26 August 2022 17.27
> > > 
> > > On 26/08/2022 09:29, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > >> From: Jerin Jacob [mailto:jerinjacobk@gmail.com]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, 26 August 2022 10.16
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bruce Richardson
> > > >> <bruce.richardson@intel.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 12:35:16PM +0530, Jerin Jacob wrote:
> > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:56 PM Kevin Laatz
> > > <kevin.laatz@intel.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> From: Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Currently, there is no way to measure lcore poll busyness in a
> > > >> passive way,
> > > >>>>> without any modifications to the application. This patch adds a
> > > >> new EAL API
> > > >>>>> that will be able to passively track core polling busyness.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The poll busyness is calculated by relying on the fact that most
> > > >> DPDK API's
> > > >>>>> will poll for packets. Empty polls can be counted as "idle",
> > > >> while
> > > >>>>> non-empty polls can be counted as busy. To measure lcore poll
> > > >> busyness, we
> > > >>>>> simply call the telemetry timestamping function with the number
> > > >> of polls a
> > > >>>>> particular code section has processed, and count the number of
> > > >> cycles we've
> > > >>>>> spent processing empty bursts. The more empty bursts we
> > > >> encounter, the less
> > > >>>>> cycles we spend in "busy" state, and the less core poll busyness
> > > >> will be
> > > >>>>> reported.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> In order for all of the above to work without modifications to
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>> application, the library code needs to be instrumented with calls
> > > >> to the
> > > >>>>> lcore telemetry busyness timestamping function. The following
> > > >> parts of DPDK
> > > >>>>> are instrumented with lcore telemetry calls:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> - All major driver API's:
> > > >>>>>    - ethdev
> > > >>>>>    - cryptodev
> > > >>>>>    - compressdev
> > > >>>>>    - regexdev
> > > >>>>>    - bbdev
> > > >>>>>    - rawdev
> > > >>>>>    - eventdev
> > > >>>>>    - dmadev
> > > >>>>> - Some additional libraries:
> > > >>>>>    - ring
> > > >>>>>    - distributor
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> To avoid performance impact from having lcore telemetry support,
> > > >> a global
> > > >>>>> variable is exported by EAL, and a call to timestamping function
> > > >> is wrapped
> > > >>>>> into a macro, so that whenever telemetry is disabled, it only
> > > >> takes one
> > > >>>>> additional branch and no function calls are performed. It is also
> > > >> possible
> > > >>>>> to disable it at compile time by commenting out
> > > >> RTE_LCORE_BUSYNESS from
> > > >>>>> build config.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This patch also adds a telemetry endpoint to report lcore poll
> > > >> busyness, as
> > > >>>>> well as telemetry endpoints to enable/disable lcore telemetry. A
> > > >>>>> documentation entry has been added to the howto guides to explain
> > > >> the usage
> > > >>>>> of the new telemetry endpoints and API.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Kevin Laatz <kevin.laatz@intel.com>
> > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Conor Walsh <conor.walsh@intel.com>
> > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: David Hunt <david.hunt@intel.com>
> > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ---
> > > >>>>> v3:
> > > >>>>>    * Fix missed renaming to poll busyness
> > > >>>>>    * Fix clang compilation
> > > >>>>>    * Fix arm compilation
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> v2:
> > > >>>>>    * Use rte_get_tsc_hz() to adjust the telemetry period
> > > >>>>>    * Rename to reflect polling busyness vs general busyness
> > > >>>>>    * Fix segfault when calling telemetry timestamp from an
> > > >> unregistered
> > > >>>>>      non-EAL thread.
> > > >>>>>    * Minor cleanup
> > > >>>>> ---
> > > >>>>> diff --git a/meson_options.txt b/meson_options.txt
> > > >>>>> index 7c220ad68d..725b851f69 100644
> > > >>>>> --- a/meson_options.txt
> > > >>>>> +++ b/meson_options.txt
> > > >>>>> @@ -20,6 +20,8 @@ option('enable_driver_sdk', type: 'boolean',
> > > >> value: false, description:
> > > >>>>>          'Install headers to build drivers.')
> > > >>>>>   option('enable_kmods', type: 'boolean', value: false,
> > > >> description:
> > > >>>>>          'build kernel modules')
> > > >>>>> +option('enable_lcore_poll_busyness', type: 'boolean', value:
> > > >> true, description:
> > > >>>>> +       'enable collection of lcore poll busyness telemetry')
> > > >>>> IMO, All fastpath features should be opt-in. i.e default should be
> > > >> false.
> > > >>>> For the trace fastpath related changes, We have done the similar
> > > >> thing
> > > >>>> even though it cost additional one cycle for disabled trace points
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> We do need to consider runtime and build defaults differently,
> > > >> though.
> > > >>> Since this has also runtime enabling, I think having build-time
> > > >> enabling
> > > >>> true as default is ok, so long as the runtime enabling is false
> > > >> (assuming
> > > >>> no noticable overhead when the feature is disabled.)
> > > >> I was talking about buildtime only. "enable_trace_fp" meson option
> > > >> selected as
> > > >> false as default.
> > > > Agree. "enable_lcore_poll_busyness" is in the fast path, so it should
> > > follow the design pattern of "enable_trace_fp".
> > > 
> > > +1 to making this opt-in. However, I'd lean more towards having the
> > > buildtime option enabled and the runtime option disabled by default.
> > > There is no measurable impact cause by the extra branch (the check for
> > > enabled/disabled in the macro) by disabling at runtime, and we gain the
> > > benefit of avoiding a recompile to enable it later.
> > 
> > The exact same thing could be said about "enable_trace_fp"; however, the development effort was put into separating it from "enable_trace", so it could be disabled by default.
> > 
> > Your patch is unlikely to get approved if you don't follow the "enable_trace_fp" design pattern as suggested.
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >> If the concern is enabling on generic distros then distro generic
> > > >> config can opt in this
> > > >>
> > > >>> /Bruce
> > > > @Kevin, are you considering a roadmap for using
> > > RTE_LCORE_TELEMETRY_TIMESTAMP() for other purposes? Otherwise, it
> > > should also be renamed to indicate that it is part of the "poll
> > > busyness" telemetry.
> > > 
> > > No further purposes are planned for this macro, I'll rename it in the
> > > next revision.
> > 
> > OK. Thank you.
> > 
> > Also, there's a new discussion about EAL bloat [1]. Perhaps I'm stretching it here, but it would be nice if your library was made a separate library, instead of part of the EAL library. (Since this kind of feature is not new to the EAL, I will categorize this suggestion as "nice to have", not "must have".)
> > 
> > [1] http://inbox.dpdk.org/dev/2594603.Isy0gbHreE@thomas/T/
> > 
> 
> I was actually discussing this with Kevin and Dave H. on Friay, and trying
> to make this a separate library is indeed a big stretch. :-)
> 
> From that discussion, the key point/gap is that we are really missing a
> clean way of providing undefs or macro fallbacks for when a library is just
> not present. For example, if this was a separate library we would gain a
> number of advantages e.g. no need for separate enable/disable flag, but the
> big disadvantage is that every header include for it, and every reference
> to the macros used in that header need to be surrounded by big ugly ifdefs.
> 
> For now, adding this into EAL is the far more practical approach, since it
> means that even if support for the feature is disabled at build time the
> header is still available to provide the appropriate no-op macros.

We can make the library always available with different implementations
based on a build option.
But is it a good idea to have a different behaviour based on build option?
Why not making it a runtime option?
Can the performance hit be cached in some way?



  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-29 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-15 13:12 [PATCH v1 1/2] eal: add lcore " Anatoly Burakov
2022-07-15 13:12 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Anatoly Burakov
2022-07-15 13:35 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] eal: add lcore busyness telemetry Burakov, Anatoly
2022-07-15 13:46 ` Jerin Jacob
2022-07-15 14:11   ` Bruce Richardson
2022-07-15 14:18   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2022-07-15 22:13 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-16 14:38   ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-07-17  3:10   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-17  9:56     ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-18  9:43       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2022-07-18 10:59         ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 12:20           ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-07-18 15:46         ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-08-24 16:24 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Add lcore poll " Kevin Laatz
2022-08-24 16:24   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-08-24 16:24   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-08-24 16:24   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] doc: add howto guide for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-08-25  7:47   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Morten Brørup
2022-08-25 10:53     ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-25 15:28 ` [PATCH v3 " Kevin Laatz
2022-08-25 15:28   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-08-26  7:05     ` Jerin Jacob
2022-08-26  8:07       ` Bruce Richardson
2022-08-26  8:16         ` Jerin Jacob
2022-08-26  8:29           ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-26 15:27             ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-26 15:46               ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-29 10:41                 ` Bruce Richardson
2022-08-29 10:53                   ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2022-08-29 12:36                     ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-29 12:49                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-29 13:37                         ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-29 13:44                           ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-29 14:21                             ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-29 11:22                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-26 22:06     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-29  8:23       ` Bruce Richardson
2022-08-29 13:16       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-30 10:26       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-08-25 15:28   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-08-25 15:28   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] doc: add howto guide for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-09-01 14:39 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Kevin Laatz
2022-09-01 14:39   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-01 14:39   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-09-01 14:39   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] doc: add howto guide for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-09-02 15:58 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Kevin Laatz
2022-09-02 15:58   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-03 13:33     ` Jerin Jacob
2022-09-06  9:37       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-09-02 15:58   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-09-02 15:58   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] doc: add howto guide for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-09-13 13:19 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Kevin Laatz
2022-09-13 13:19   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-13 13:48     ` Morten Brørup
2022-09-13 13:19   ` [PATCH v6 2/4] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-09-13 13:19   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] app/test: add unit tests for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-09-13 13:19   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] doc: add howto guide " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-14  9:29 ` [PATCH v7 0/4] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Kevin Laatz
2022-09-14  9:29   ` [PATCH v7 1/4] eal: add " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-14 14:30     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-09-16 12:35       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-09-19 10:19     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-09-22 17:14       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-09-26  9:37         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-09-29 12:41           ` Kevin Laatz
2022-09-30 12:32             ` Jerin Jacob
2022-10-01 14:17             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-10-03 20:02               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-04  9:15                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-10-04 11:57                   ` Bruce Richardson
2022-10-04 14:26                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-04 23:30                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-09-30 22:13     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-09-14  9:29   ` [PATCH v7 2/4] eal: add cpuset lcore telemetry entries Kevin Laatz
2022-09-14  9:29   ` [PATCH v7 3/4] app/test: add unit tests for lcore poll busyness Kevin Laatz
2022-09-30 22:20     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-09-14  9:29   ` [PATCH v7 4/4] doc: add howto guide " Kevin Laatz
2022-09-14 14:33   ` [PATCH v7 0/4] Add lcore poll busyness telemetry Stephen Hemminger
2022-09-16 12:35     ` Kevin Laatz
2022-09-16 14:10       ` Kevin Laatz
2022-10-05 13:44   ` Kevin Laatz
2022-10-06 13:25     ` Morten Brørup
2022-10-06 15:26       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-10 15:22         ` Morten Brørup
2022-10-10 17:38           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-12 12:25             ` Morten Brørup

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