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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
Cc: "techboard@dpdk.org" <techboard@dpdk.org>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"Zhang, Roy Fan" <roy.fan.zhang@intel.com>,
	"Doherty, Declan" <declan.doherty@intel.com>,
	 "Akhil.goyal@nxp.com" <akhil.goyal@nxp.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] [RFC 0/4] cpu-crypto API choices
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:19:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB97725801A8C81358@IRSMSX104.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2859970.EjbiKIM5I0@xps>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 12:19 PM
> To: Ananyev, Konstantin <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
> Cc: techboard@dpdk.org; Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>; dev@dpdk.org; Zhang, Roy Fan
> <roy.fan.zhang@intel.com>; Doherty, Declan <declan.doherty@intel.com>; Akhil.goyal@nxp.com; nd <nd@arm.com>
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-techboard] [RFC 0/4] cpu-crypto API choices
> 
> 06/11/2019 12:33, Ananyev, Konstantin:
> >
> > > > > > > Originally both SW and HW crypto PMDs use rte_crypot_op based API to
> > > > > > > process the crypto workload asynchronously. This way provides uniformity to
> > > > > > > both PMD types, but also introduce unnecessary performance penalty to SW
> > > > > > > PMDs that have to "simulate" HW async behavior (crypto-ops
> > > > > > > enqueue/dequeue, HW addresses computations, storing/dereferencing user
> > > > > > > provided data (mbuf) for each crypto-op, etc).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The aim is to introduce a new optional API for SW crypto-devices to perform
> > > > > > > crypto processing in a synchronous manner.
> > > > > > > As summarized by Akhil, we need a synchronous API to perform crypto
> > > > > > > operations on raw data using SW PMDs, that provides:
> > > > > > >  - no crypto-ops.
> > > > > > >  - avoid using mbufs inside this API, use raw data buffers instead.
> > > > > > >  - no separate enqueue-dequeue, only single process() API for data path.
> > > > > > >  - input data buffers should be grouped by session,
> > > > > > >    i.e. each process() call takes one session and group of input buffers
> > > > > > >    that  belong to that session.
> > > > > > >  - All parameters that are constant accross session, should be stored
> > > > > > >    inside the session itself and reused by all incoming data buffers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While there seems no controversy about need of such functionality, there
> > > > > > > seems to be no agreement on what would be the best API for that.
> > > > > > > So I am requesting for TB input on that matter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Series structure:
> > > > > > > - patch #1 - intorduce basic data structures to be used by sync API
> > > > > > >   (no controversy here, I hope ..)
> > > > > > >   [RFC 1/4] cpu-crypto: Introduce basic data structures
> > > > > > > - patch #2 - Intel initial approach for new API (via rte_security)
> > > > > > >   [RFC 2/4] security: introduce cpu-crypto API
> > > > > > > - patch #3 - approach that reuses existing rte_cryptodev API as much as
> > > > > > >   possible
> > > > > > >   [RFC 3/4] cryptodev: introduce cpu-crypto API
> > > > > > > - patch #4 - approach via introducing new session data structure and API
> > > > > > >   [RFC 4/4] cryptodev: introduce rte_crypto_cpu_sym_session API
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Patches 2,3,4 are mutually exclusive,
> > > > > > > and we probably have to choose which one to go forward with.
> > > > > > > I put some explanations in each of the patches, hopefully that will help to
> > > > > > > understand pros and cons of each one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Akhil strongly supports #3, AFAIK mainly because it allows PMDs to reuse
> > > > > > > existing API and minimize API level changes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IMO, from application perspective, it should not matter who (CPU or an accelerator) does the crypto functionality. It just needs to
> > > know
> > > > if the result will be returned synchronously or asynchronously.
> > > > >
> > > > > We already have asymmetric and symmetric APIs.
> > > > > Here you are proposing a third method: symmetric without mbuf for CPU PMDs
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, for this garbage, I am mixing synchronous/asynchronous and symmetric/asymmetric.
> > > >
> > > > > > > My favorite is #4, #2 is less preferable but ok too.
> > > > > > > #3 seems problematic to me by the reasons I outlined in #4 patch description.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please provide your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > It means the API is not PMD agnostic, right?
> > >
> > > Probably not...
> > > Because inside DPDK we don't have any other abstraction for SW crypto-libs
> > > except vdev, we do need dev_id to get session initialization point.
> > > After that I believe all operations can be session based.
> > >
> > > > So the question is to know if a synchronous API will be implemented only for CPU virtual PMDs?
> > >
> > > I don't expect lookaside devices to benefit from sync mode.
> > > I think performance penalty would be too high.
> >
> > After another thought, if some lookaside PMD would like to support such API -
> > I think it is still possible: dev_id (or just pointer to internal dev/queue structure)
> > can be stored inside the session itself.
> > Though I really doubt any lookaside PMD would be interested in such mode.
> 
> So what should be the logic in the application?
> How the combo PMD/API is chosen?

Up to the user.
At session creation time user has to choose what session he wants to use.
Then at data-path he can either call async API (enqueue/dequeue)
or sync API (process). 
I expect users who do care about extra perf will choose cpu-crypto mode
when it is available.
Existing apps and apps who'd like to have just one code-path
would stay with async mode and will be unaffected.  

> How does it work with the crypto scheduler?

If we want to add cpu-crypto support to crypto-scheduler PMD,
then changes would be needed anyway, not matter will we choose #3 or #4. 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-06 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-05 18:41 [dpdk-dev] " Konstantin Ananyev
2019-11-05 18:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 1/4] cpu-crypto: Introduce basic data structures Konstantin Ananyev
2019-11-05 18:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 2/4] security: introduce cpu-crypto API Konstantin Ananyev
2019-11-05 18:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 3/4] cryptodev: " Konstantin Ananyev
2019-11-05 21:41   ` Akhil Goyal
2019-11-06 14:49     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-05 18:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 4/4] cryptodev: introduce rte_crypto_cpu_sym_session API Konstantin Ananyev
2019-11-06  4:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] [RFC 0/4] cpu-crypto API choices Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-11-06  9:35   ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-06  9:48     ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-06 10:14       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-06 11:33         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-06 12:18           ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-11-06 12:22             ` Hemant Agrawal
2019-11-06 15:19             ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2019-11-14  5:46 ` [dpdk-dev] " Jerin Jacob
2019-11-18 11:57   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-11-20 14:27     ` Jerin Jacob

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