Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/18] mbuf: redefine packet_type in rte_mbuf

["Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>]

Hi Olivier,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MATZ
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:33 PM
> To: O'Driscoll, Tim; Zhang, Helin; dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/18] mbuf: redefine packet_type in rte_mbuf
> 
> Hi Tim, Helin,
> 
> On 06/02/2015 03:27 PM, O'Driscoll, Tim wrote:
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MATZ
> >> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:15 AM
> >> To: Zhang, Helin; dev@dpdk.org
> >> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/18] mbuf: redefine packet_type in
> >> rte_mbuf
> >>
> >> Hi Helin,
> >>
> >> +CC Neil
> >>
> >> On 06/01/2015 09:33 AM, Helin Zhang wrote:
> >>> In order to unify the packet type, the field of 'packet_type' in
> >>> 'struct rte_mbuf' needs to be extended from 16 to 32 bits.
> >>> Accordingly, some fields in 'struct rte_mbuf' are re-organized to
> >>> support this change for Vector PMD. As 'struct rte_kni_mbuf' for
> >>> KNI should be right mapped to 'struct rte_mbuf', it should be
> >>> modified accordingly. In addition, Vector PMD of ixgbe is disabled
> >>> by default, as 'struct rte_mbuf' changed.
> >>> To avoid breaking ABI compatibility, all the changes would be
> >>> enabled by RTE_UNIFIED_PKT_TYPE, which is disabled by default.
> >>
> >> What are the plans for this compile-time option in the future?
> >>
> >> I wonder what are the benefits of having this option in terms
> >> of ABI compatibility: when it is disabled, it is ABI-compatible but
> >> the packet-type feature is not present, and when it is enabled we
> >> have the feature but it breaks the compatibility.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, the v5 is preferable: for this kind of features, I
> >> don't see how the ABI can be preserved, and I think packet-type
> >> won't be the only feature that will modify the mbuf structure. I think
> >> the process described here should be applied:
> >> http://dpdk.org/browse/dpdk/tree/doc/guides/rel_notes/abi.rst
> >>
> >> (starting from "Some ABI changes may be too significant to reasonably
> >> maintain multiple versions of").
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Olivier
> >>
> >
> > This is just like the change that Steve (Cunming) Liang submitted for Interrupt Mode. We have the same problem in both cases: we
> want to find a way to get the features included, but need to comply with our ABI policy. So, in both cases, the proposal is to add a
> config option to enable the change by default, so we maintain backward compatibility. Users that want these changes, and are willing
> to accept the associated ABI change, have to specifically enable them.
> >
> > We can note in the Deprecation Notices in the Release Notes for 2.1 that these config options will be removed in 2.2. The features
> will then be enabled by default.
> >
> > This seems like a good compromise which allows us to get these changes into 2.1 but avoids breaking the ABI policy.
> 
> Sorry for the late answer.
> 
> After some thoughts on this topic, I understand that having a
> compile-time option is perhaps a good compromise between
> keeping compatibility and having new features earlier.
> 
> I'm just afraid about having one #ifdef in the code for
> each new feature that cannot keep the ABI compatibility.
> What do you think about having one option -- let's call
> it "CONFIG_RTE_NEXT_ABI" --, that is disabled by default,
> and that would surround any new feature that breaks the
> ABI?

I am not Tim/Helin, but really like that idea :)
Konstantin


> 
> This would have several advantages:
> - only 2 cases (on or off), the combinatorial is smaller than
>    having one option per feature
> - all next features breaking the abi can be identified by a grep
> - the code inside the #ifdef can be enabled in a simple operation
>    by Thomas after each release.
> 
> Thomas, any comment?
> 
> Regards,
> Olivier
>