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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: Feifei Wang <Feifei.Wang2@arm.com>,
	"david.marchand@redhat.com" <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	"konstantin.ananyev@intel.com" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "hemant.agrawal@nxp.com" <hemant.agrawal@nxp.com>,
	"Nipun.gupta@nxp.com" <nipun.gupta@nxp.com>,
	"jerinj@marvell.com" <jerinj@marvell.com>,
	"harry.van.haaren@intel.com" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>,
	"bruce.richardson@intel.com" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"dmitry.kozliuk@gmail.com" <dmitry.kozliuk@gmail.com>,
	"navasile@linux.microsoft.com" <navasile@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"dmitrym@microsoft.com" <dmitrym@microsoft.com>,
	"pallavi.kadam@intel.com" <pallavi.kadam@intel.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Ruifeng Wang <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC 3/5] eal: lcore state FINISHED is not required
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:26:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36690444.8nk3bCcZ7h@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DBAPR08MB58141B28186DE8F47C26C428989E9@DBAPR08MB5814.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

26/02/2021 00:33, Honnappa Nagarahalli:
> +Thomas, David, Konstantin for input
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > > Subject: [RFC 3/5] eal: lcore state FINISHED is not required
> > >
> > > FINISHED state seems to be used to indicate that the worker's update
> > > of the 'state' is not visible to other threads. There seems to be no
> > > requirement to have such a state.
> > 
> > I am not sure "FINISHED" is necessary to be removed, and I propose some of my
> > profiles for discussion.
> >  There are three states for lcore now:
> > "WAIT": indicate lcore can start working
> > "RUNNING": indicate lcore is working
> > "FINISHED": indicate lcore has finished its working and wait to be reset
> If you look at the definitions of "WAIT" and "FINISHED" states, they look similar, except for "wait to be reset" in "FINISHED" state . The code really does not do anything to reset the lcore. It just changes the state to "WAIT".
> 
> > 
> > From the description above, we can find "FINISHED" is different from "WAIT", it
> > can shows that lcore has done the work and finished it. Thus, if we remove
> > "FINISHED", maybe we will not know whether the lcore finishes its work or just
> > doesn't start, because this two state has the same tag "WAIT".
> Looking at "eal_thread_loop", the worker thread sets the state to "RUNNING" before sending the ack back to main core. After that it is guaranteed that the worker will run the assigned function. Only case where it will not run the assigned function is when the 'write' syscall fails, in which case it results in a panic.

Quick note: it should not panic.
We must find a way to return an error
without crashing the whole application.

 
> > Furthermore, consider such a scenario:
> > Core 1 need to monitor Core 2 state, if Core 2 finishes one task, Core 1 can start
> > its working.
> > However, if there is only  one tag "WAIT", Core 1 maybe  start its work at the
> > wrong time, when Core 2 still does not start its task at state "WAIT".
> > This is just my guess, and at present, there is no similar application scenario in
> > dpdk.
> To be able to do this effectively, core 1 needs to observe the state change from WAIT->RUNNING->FINISHED. This requires that core 1 should be calling rte_eal_remote_launch and rte_eal_wait_lcore functions. It is not possible to observe this state transition from a 3rd core (for ex: a worker might go from RUNNING->FINISHED->WAIT->RUNNING which a 3rd core might not be able to observe).
> 
> > 
> > On the other hand, if we decide to remove "FINISHED", please consider the
> > following files:
> > 1. lib/librte_eal/linux/eal_thread.c: line 31
> >     lib/librte_eal/windows/eal_thread.c: line 22
> >     lib/librte_eal/freebsd/eal_thread.c: line 31
> I have looked at these lines, they do not capture "why" FINISHED state is required.
> 
>  2.
> > lib/librte_eal/include/rte_launch.h: line 24, 44, 121, 123, 131 3. examples/l2fwd-
> > keepalive/main.c: line 510
> > rte_eal_wait_lcore(id_core) can be removed. Because the core state has been
> > checked as "WAIT", this is a redundant operation




  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-26  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-24 21:20 [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/5] Use correct memory ordering in eal functions Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-02-24 21:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 1/5] eal: reset lcore function pointer and argument Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-02-24 21:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 2/5] eal: ensure memory operations are visible to worker Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-02-24 21:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 3/5] eal: lcore state FINISHED is not required Honnappa Nagarahalli
     [not found]   ` <AM5PR0802MB2465B62994239817E0AC46C59E9E9@AM5PR0802MB2465.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
2021-02-25  8:44     ` [dpdk-dev] 回复: " Feifei Wang
2021-02-25 23:33       ` [dpdk-dev] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-02-26  8:26         ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2021-03-02  3:13           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-03-19 13:42             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2021-03-30  2:54               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-03-01  5:55         ` [dpdk-dev] 回复: " Feifei Wang
2021-02-24 21:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 4/5] eal: ensure memory operations are visible to main Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-02-24 21:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 5/5] test/ring: use relaxed barriers for ring stress test Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-03-01 16:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/5] Use correct memory ordering in eal functions Stephen Hemminger
2021-03-02 16:06   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/6] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/6] eal: reset lcore function pointer and argument Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-10  7:49     ` Bruce Richardson
2021-09-10  8:12       ` David Marchand
2021-09-11 22:19         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/6] eal: ensure memory operations are visible to worker Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/6] eal: lcore state FINISHED is not required Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/6] eal: update rte_eal_wait_lcore definition Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:37     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/6] eal: ensure memory operations are visible to main Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-09-09 23:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/6] test/ring: use relaxed barriers for ring stress test Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-07 11:55     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2021-10-07 23:40       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25  4:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] Use correct memory ordering in eal functions Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25  4:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/4] eal: reset lcore function pointer and argument Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25  4:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/4] eal: lcore state FINISHED is not required Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25  4:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/4] eal: use correct memory ordering Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25  4:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/4] test/ring: use relaxed barriers for ring stress test Honnappa Nagarahalli
2021-10-25 16:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] Use correct memory ordering in eal functions David Marchand

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