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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/4] examples: example showing use of callbacks.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:34:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4549532.PTBUOYF3p0@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150216151622.GA1888@bricha3-MOBL3>

2015-02-16 15:16, Bruce Richardson:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 03:33:40PM +0100, Olivier MATZ wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > On 02/13/2015 04:39 PM, John McNamara wrote:
> > > From: Richardson, Bruce <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
> > > 
> > > Example showing how callbacks can be used to insert a timestamp
> > > into each packet on RX. On TX the timestamp is used to calculate
> > > the packet latency through the app, in cycles.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
> > 
> > 
> > I'm looking at the example and I don't understand what is the advantage
> > of having callbacks in ethdev layer, knowing that the application can
> > do the same job by a standard function call.
> > 
> > What is the advantage of having callbacks compared to:
> > 
> > 
> > for (port = 0; port < nb_ports; port++) {
> > 	struct rte_mbuf *bufs[BURST_SIZE];
> > 	const uint16_t nb_rx = rte_eth_rx_burst(port, 0,
> > 			bufs, BURST_SIZE);
> > 	if (unlikely(nb_rx == 0))
> > 		continue;
> > 	add_timestamp(bufs, nb_rx);
> > 
> > 	const uint16_t nb_tx = rte_eth_tx_burst(port ^ 1, 0,
> > 			bufs, nb_rx);
> > 	calc_latency(bufs, nb_tx);
> > 
> > 	if (unlikely(nb_tx < nb_rx)) {
> > 		uint16_t buf;
> > 		for (buf = nb_tx; buf < nb_rx; buf++)
> > 			rte_pktmbuf_free(bufs[buf]);
> > 	}
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > To me, doing like the code above has several advantages:
> > 
> > - code is more readable: the callback is explicitly invoked, so there is
> >   no risk to forget it
> > - code is faster: the functions calls can be inlined by the compiler
> > - easier to handle error cases in the callback function as the error
> >   code is accessible to the application
> > - there is no need to add code in ethdev api to do this
> > - if the application does not want to use callbacks (I suppose most
> >   applications), it won't have any performance impact
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Olivier
> 
> In this specific instance, given that the application does little else, there
> is no real advantage to using the callbacks - it's just to have a simple example
> of how they can be used.
> 
> Where callbacks are really designed to be useful, is for extending or augmenting
> hardware capabilities. Taking the example of sequence numbers - to use the most
> trivial example - an application could be written to take advantage of sequence
> numbers written to packets by the hardware which received them. However, if such
> an application was to be used with a NIC which does not provide sequence numbering
> capability, for example, anything using ixgbe driver, the application writer has
> two choices - either modify his application code to check each packet for
> a sequence number in the data path, and add it there post-rx, or alternatively,
> to check the NIC capabilities at initialization time, and add a callback there
> at initialization, if the hardware does not support it. In the latter case,
> the main packet processing body of the application can be written as though
> hardware always has sequence numbering capability, safe in the knowledge that
> any hardware not supporting it will be back-filled by a software fallback at 
> initialization-time.
> 
> By the same token, we could also look to extend hardware capabilities. For
> different filtering or hashing capabilities, there can be limits in hardware
> which are far less than what we need to use in software. Again, callbacks will
> allow the data path to be written in a way that is oblivious to the underlying
> hardware limits, because software will transparently fill in the gaps.
> 
> Hope this makes the use case clear.

After thinking more about these callbacks, I realize these callbacks won't
help, as Olivier said.

With callback,
1/ application checks device capability
2/ application provides hardware emulation as DPDK callback
3/ application forgets previous steps
4/ application calls DPDK Rx
5/ DPDK calls callback (without calling optimization)

Without callback,
1/ application checks device capability
2/ application provides hardware emulation as internal function
3/ application set an internal device-flag to enable this function
4/ application calls DPDK Rx
5/ application calls the hardware emulation if flag is set

So the only difference is to keep persistent the device information in
the application instead of storing it as a function pointer in the
DPDK struct.
You can also be faster with this approach: at initialization time,
you can check that your NIC supports the feature and use a specific
mainloop that adds or not the sequence number without any runtime
test.

A callback could be justified for asynchronous events, or when
doing specific processing in the middle of the driver, for instance
when freeing a mbuf. But in this case it's exactly similar to do
the processing in the application after Rx (or before Tx).

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-16 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-22 16:47 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH RFC 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 16:47 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH RFC 1/3] ethdev: rename callbacks field to intr_cbs Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 16:47 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH RFC 2/3] ethdev: Add in data rxtx callback support Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 16:47 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH RFC 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 17:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH RFC 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-22 17:33   ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 17:47     ` Neil Horman
2014-12-23  9:28       ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-23 13:09         ` Neil Horman
2014-12-23 14:09           ` Bruce Richardson
2015-01-05 16:17     ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 18:31 ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-12-23  9:29   ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-23  4:23 ` Vithal S Mohare
2014-12-23  9:30   ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-23  9:37     ` Vithal S Mohare
2014-12-24  1:43       ` Zhang, Helin
2014-12-24  5:06 ` Qiu, Michael
2015-02-12 19:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH " John McNamara
2015-02-12 19:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] ethdev: rename callbacks field to intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-12 19:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] ethdev: Add in data rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-12 21:12     ` Neil Horman
2015-02-12 19:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-13 14:54   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support Declan Doherty
2015-02-13 15:39 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/4] " John McNamara
2015-02-13 15:39   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/4] ethdev: rename callbacks field to intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-13 16:06     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 16:52       ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 15:39   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/4] ethdev: Add in data rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-13 16:33     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 17:49       ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-13 15:39   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/4] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-13 16:02     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-16 14:33     ` Olivier MATZ
2015-02-16 15:16       ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-16 17:34         ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2015-02-17 12:17           ` Declan Doherty
2015-02-17 12:25           ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-17 13:28             ` Olivier MATZ
2015-02-17 13:50               ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-17 15:49                 ` Neil Horman
2015-02-17 16:00                   ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-17 16:08                     ` Neil Horman
2015-02-17 16:15                       ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-17 19:27                         ` Neil Horman
2015-02-17 15:32             ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-17 15:58               ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-13 15:39   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/4] abi: Added rxtx callback functions to ABI versioning John McNamara
2015-02-13 15:59     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-13 15:48   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/4] DPDK ethdev callback support Declan Doherty
2015-02-18 17:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/3] " John McNamara
2015-02-18 17:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ethdev: Rename callbacks field to link_intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-18 17:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] ethdev: Add rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-18 18:19     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-19  9:33       ` Mcnamara, John
2015-02-18 17:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-19 17:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support John McNamara
2015-02-19 17:56     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: rename callbacks field to link_intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-19 17:56     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/3] ethdev: add optional rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-20 10:06       ` Bruce Richardson
2015-02-20 10:31         ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-19 17:56     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-20 17:03   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support John McNamara
2015-02-20 17:03     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: rename callbacks field to link_intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-20 17:03     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] ethdev: add optional rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-23 15:11       ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-23 17:27         ` Mcnamara, John
2015-02-20 17:03     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-23 18:30   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support John McNamara
2015-02-23 18:30     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/3] ethdev: rename callbacks field to link_intr_cbs John McNamara
2015-02-23 18:30     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/3] ethdev: add optional rxtx callback support John McNamara
2015-02-23 18:30     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/3] examples: example showing use of callbacks John McNamara
2015-02-23 23:39     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/3] DPDK ethdev callback support Thomas Monjalon

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