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From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	Jan Viktorin <viktorin@rehivetech.com>,
	Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	David Christensen <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Stanislaw Kardach <kda@semihalf.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] non-temporal memcpy
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:55:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4baabd37-ead4-d98b-0e61-01c6ecd23191@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220809082602.1fe5bd89@hermes.local>

On 2022-08-09 17:26, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:46:19 +0200
> Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> I don't think memcpy() functions should have alignment requirements.
>>> That's not very practical, and violates the principle of least
>>> surprise.
>>
>> I didn't make the CPUs with these alignment requirements.
>>
>> However, I will offer optimized performance in a generic NT memcpy() function in the cases where the individual alignment requirements of various CPUs happen to be met.
> 
> Rather than making a generic equivalent memcpy function, why not have
> something which only takes aligned data. And to avoid user confusion
> change the name to be something not suggestive of memcpy.
> 

Alignment seems like a non-issue to me. A NT-store memcpy() can be made 
free of alignment requirements, incurring only a very slight cost for 
the always-aligned case (who has their data always 16-byte aligned 
anyways?).

The memory barrier required on x86 seems like a bigger issue.

> Maybe rte_non_cache_copy()?
> 

rte_memcpy_nt_weakly_ordered(), or rte_memcpy_nt_weak(). And a 
rte_memcpy_nt() with the sfence is place, which the user hopefully will 
find first? I don't know. I would prefer not having the weak variant at all.

Accepting weak memory ordering (i.e., no sfence) could also be one of 
the flags, assuming rte_memcpy_nt() would have a flags parameter. 
Default is safe (=memcpy() semantics), but potentially slower.

> Want to avoid the naive user just doing s/memcpy/rte_memcpy_nt/ and expect
> everything to work.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-10 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-19 15:26 Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:00 ` David Christensen
2022-07-19 18:41   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:51     ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-19 22:15       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-21 23:19 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-22 10:44   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-24 13:35     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-24 22:18       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 10:00         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 10:46           ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 11:50             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 17:17               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 22:00                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-30  9:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-02  9:05                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 12:13             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 16:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-29 17:29                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-07 20:40                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:24                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:53                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-09 16:16                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 18:13               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 19:49                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 20:26                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 21:34                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:20                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:34                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:56                         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 21:05                     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:50                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 16:26                         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-25  1:17       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 10:26         ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 17:37           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 18:49             ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:12               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-28  9:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:52               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 22:02                 ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-28 10:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29  9:21                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:25 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:46   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 12:05     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:00       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:47         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:26     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-08-09 17:24       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:59         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:12           ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:55       ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2022-08-10 12:18         ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 21:20           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:53             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 22:24               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli

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