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From: Ola Liljedahl <Ola.Liljedahl@arm.com>
To: Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	Jerin Jacob <jerin.jacob@caviumnetworks.com>
Cc: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)" <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Steve Capper <Steve.Capper@arm.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	"stable@dpdk.org" <stable@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ring: read tail using atomic load
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:01:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5450353D-4A3D-490E-8E93-EB006D57440F@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR08MB3672836832503F14E16C28DF98E60@AM6PR08MB3672.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Or maybe performance gets worse but not because of that one additional instruction/cycle in ring buffer enqueue and dequeue but because function or loop alignment changed for one or more functions.

When the benchmarking noise (possibly several % due to changes in code alignment) is bigger than the effect you are trying to measure (1 cycle per ring buffer enqueue/dequeue), benchmarking is not the right approach.

-- Ola

On 08/10/2018, 07:27, "Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com> wrote:

    >     >
    >     > I doubt it is possible to benchmark with such a precision so to see the
    >     > potential difference of one ADD instruction.
    >     > Just changes in function alignment can affect performance by percents.
    > And
    >     > the natural variation when not using a 100% deterministic system is going
    > to
    >     > be a lot larger than one cycle per ring buffer operation.
    >     >
    >     > Some of the other patches are also for correctness (e.g. load-acquire of
    > tail)
    >     The discussion is about this patch alone. Other patches are already Acked.
    > So the benchmarking then makes zero sense.
    The whole point is to prove the effect of 1 instruction either way. IMO, it is simple enough, follow the memory model to the full extent. We have to keep in mind about other architectures as well. May be that additional instruction is not required on other architectures. 
    
    > 
    > 
    


  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-08 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-06  1:18 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] ring: fix c11 memory ordering issue Gavin Hu
2018-08-06  9:19 ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-08-08  1:39   ` Gavin Hu
2018-08-07  3:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] " Gavin Hu
2018-08-07  5:56   ` He, Jia
2018-08-07  7:56     ` Gavin Hu
2018-08-08  3:07       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-08-08  7:23         ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-stable] " Thomas Monjalon
2018-09-17  7:47   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] app/testpmd: show errno along with flow API errors Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  7:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] net/i40e: remove invalid comment Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  8:25       ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-17  7:47     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] doc: add cross compile part for sample applications Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  9:48       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-09-17 10:28         ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-17 10:34           ` Jerin Jacob
2018-09-17 10:55             ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-17 10:49       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4] " Gavin Hu
2018-09-17 10:53         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5] " Gavin Hu
2018-09-18 11:00           ` Jerin Jacob
2018-09-19  0:33           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6] " Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  8:11     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/4] bus/fslmc: fix undefined reference of memsegs Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  8:11       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/4] ring: read tail using atomic load Gavin Hu
2018-09-20  6:41         ` Jerin Jacob
2018-09-25  9:26           ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-17  8:11       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/4] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  8:11       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/4] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-10-27 14:21         ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-stable] " Thomas Monjalon
2018-09-17  8:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ring: read tail using atomic load Gavin Hu
2018-09-17  8:17     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-09-26  9:29       ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-26  9:59         ` Justin He
2018-09-29 10:57       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-17  6:29       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] " Gavin Hu
2018-10-17  6:29         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-10-17  6:35         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-27 14:39           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-10-27 15:00             ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-27 15:13               ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-10-27 15:34                 ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-27 15:48                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-10-29  2:51                   ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-29  2:57                   ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-29 10:16                     ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-29 10:47                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-10-29 11:10                         ` Jerin Jacob
2018-11-03 20:12                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2018-11-05 21:51                   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-06 11:03                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2018-10-31  3:35         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/2] rte ring c11 bug fix and optimization Gavin Hu
2018-10-31 10:26           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/2] ring library with c11 memory model " Gavin Hu
2018-10-31 16:58             ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-11-01  9:53             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/2] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-11-01  9:53             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-11-01 17:26               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-02  0:53                 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-11-02  4:30                   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-02  7:15                     ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-11-02  9:36                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-11-02 11:23                         ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-31 10:26           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/2] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-10-31 22:07             ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-01  9:56               ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-31 10:26           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/2] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-10-31  3:35         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-10-31  3:35         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-10-31  9:36           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-10-31 10:27             ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-11-01  9:53         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] ring library with c11 memory model bug fix and optimization Gavin Hu
2018-11-02 11:21           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 " Gavin Hu
2018-11-02 11:21           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/2] ring: synchronize the load and store of the tail Gavin Hu
2018-11-05  9:30             ` Olivier Matz
2018-11-02 11:21           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/2] ring: move the atomic load of head above the loop Gavin Hu
2018-11-02 11:43             ` Bruce Richardson
2018-11-03  1:19               ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-11-03  9:34                 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-05 13:17                   ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-stable] " Thomas Monjalon
2018-11-05 13:41                     ` Jerin Jacob
2018-11-05  9:44                 ` [dpdk-dev] " Olivier Matz
2018-11-05 13:36                   ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-stable] " Thomas Monjalon
2018-09-17  8:17     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] " Gavin Hu
2018-09-26  9:29       ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-26 10:06         ` Justin He
2018-09-29  7:19           ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-09-29 10:59       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-09-26  9:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] ring: read tail using atomic load Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-09-26 10:09       ` Justin He
2018-09-29 10:48     ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-05  0:47       ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-05  8:21         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-10-05 11:15           ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-05 11:36             ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-05 13:44               ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-10-05 14:21                 ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-05 15:11                 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-05 17:07                   ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-05 18:05                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-05 20:06                       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-05 20:17                         ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-05 20:29                           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-05 20:34                             ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-06  7:41                               ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-06 19:44                                 ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-06 19:59                                   ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-07  4:02                                   ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-07 20:11                                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-07 20:44                                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08  6:06                                       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08  9:22                                         ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 10:00                                           ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08 10:25                                             ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 10:33                                               ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-08 10:39                                                 ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 10:41                                                   ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-08 10:49                                                 ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-10  6:28                                                   ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-10-10 19:26                                                     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-08 10:46                                               ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08 11:21                                                 ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 11:50                                                   ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08 11:59                                                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 12:05                                                       ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08 12:20                                                         ` Jerin Jacob
2018-10-08 12:30                                                           ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-09  8:53                                                             ` Olivier Matz
2018-10-09  3:16                                             ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-08 14:43                                           ` Bruce Richardson
2018-10-08 14:46                                             ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08 15:45                                               ` Ola Liljedahl
2018-10-08  5:27                               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-10-08 10:01                                 ` Ola Liljedahl [this message]
2018-10-27 14:17     ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-stable] " Thomas Monjalon

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