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From: Olivier MATZ <olivier.matz@6wind.com>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	 "Walukiewicz, Miroslaw" <Miroslaw.Walukiewicz@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/7] support multi-phtread per lcore
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:11:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5492EE90.4040502@6wind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141218143225.GA2460@bricha3-MOBL3>

Hi,

On 12/18/2014 03:32 PM, Bruce Richardson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:20:07PM +0000, Walukiewicz, Miroslaw wrote:
>> I have another question regarding your patch.
>>
>>  Could we extend values returned by rte_lcore_id() to set them per thread (really the DPDK lcore is a pthread but started on specific core) instead of creating linear thread id. 
>>
>> The patch would be much simpler and will work same way. The only change would be extending rte_lcore_id when rte_pthread_create() is called. 
>>
>> The value __lcore_id has really an attribute __thread that means it is valid not only per CPU core but also per thread.
>>
>> The mempools, timers, statistics would work without any modifications in that environment.
>>
>>  I do not see any reason why old legacy DPDK applications would not work in that model. 
>>
>> Mirek
> 
> Definite +1 here. 

One remark though: it looks that the rte_rings (and therefore the
rte_mempools) are designed with the assumption that the execution
units are alone on their cores.

As explained in [1], there is a risk that a pthread is interrupted
by the kernel at a bad moment. Therefore another thread can be
blocked, spinning on a variable to change its value.

The same could also occurs with spinlocks which are not designed
to wakeup another pthread when the lock is held (like pthread_locks).

And finally, having several pthreads per core implies that the
application should be designed with large queues: if a pthread is
not scheduled during 10ms, it represents 100K packets at 10M PPS.

I don't say it's impossible to do it, but I think it's not so
simple :)

Regards,
Olivier

[1] http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/dev/2013-November/000714.html

  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-18 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-11  2:04 Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 1/7] eal: add linear thread id as pthread-local variable Cunming Liang
2014-12-16  7:00   ` Qiu, Michael
2014-12-22 19:02   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2014-12-23  9:56     ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 2/7] mempool: use linear-tid as mempool cache index Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 3/7] ring: use linear-tid as ring debug stats index Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 4/7] eal: add simple API for multi-pthread Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 5/7] testpmd: support multi-pthread mode Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 6/7] sample: add new sample for multi-pthread Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 7/7] eal: macro for cpuset w/ or w/o CPU_ALLOC Cunming Liang
2014-12-11  2:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/7] support multi-phtread per lcore Jayakumar, Muthurajan
2014-12-11  9:56 ` Walukiewicz, Miroslaw
2014-12-12  5:44   ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-15 11:10     ` Walukiewicz, Miroslaw
2014-12-15 11:53       ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-18 12:20         ` Walukiewicz, Miroslaw
2014-12-18 14:32           ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-18 15:11             ` Olivier MATZ [this message]
2014-12-18 16:04               ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-18 16:15           ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-12-19  1:28           ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-19 10:03             ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22  1:51               ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-22  9:46                 ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-22 10:01                   ` Walukiewicz, Miroslaw
2014-12-23  9:45                     ` Liang, Cunming
2014-12-22 18:28                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-12-23  9:19                     ` Walukiewicz, Miroslaw
2014-12-23  9:23                       ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-23  9:51                     ` Liang, Cunming
2015-01-08 17:05                       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2015-01-08 17:23                         ` Richardson, Bruce
2015-01-09  9:51                           ` Liang, Cunming
2015-01-09  9:40                         ` Liang, Cunming
2015-01-09 11:52                           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2015-01-09  9:45                         ` Liang, Cunming

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