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From: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] Having troubles binding an SR-IOV VF to uio_pci_generic on Amazon instance
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:23:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560D09B8.2050407@scylladb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151001130844-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>



On 10/01/2015 01:14 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 12:43:53PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> There were some tentative to get it for other (older) drivers, named
>>> 'bifurcated drivers', but it is stalled.
>> IIRC they still exposed the ring to userspace.
> How much would a ring write syscall cost? 1-2 microseconds, isn't it?
> Measureable, but it's not the end of the world.

Plus a page table walk per packet fragment (dpdk has the physical 
address prepared in the mbuf IIRC).  The 10Mpps+ users of dpdk should 
comment on whether the performance hit is acceptable (my use case is 
much more modest).

> ring read might be safe to allow.
> Should buy us enough time until hypervisors support IOMMU.

All the relevant drivers need to be converted to support ring 
translation, and exposing the ring to userspace in the new API.  It 
shouldn't take more than 3-4 years.

Meanwhile, users of virtualized systems that need interrupt support 
cannot use their machines, while non-virtualized users are free to DMA 
wherever they like, in the name of security.

btw, an API like you describe already exists -- vhost.  Of course the 
virtio protocol is nowhere near fast enough, but at least it's an example.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-01 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-27  7:05 Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-27  9:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-27 10:50   ` Vladislav Zolotarov
2015-09-29 16:41   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-29 20:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-29 21:46       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-29 21:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 10:37           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 10:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 11:26               ` Vlad Zolotarov
     [not found]                 ` <20150930143927-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>
2015-09-30 11:53                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 12:03                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 12:16                       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 12:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 12:50                           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 15:26                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 18:15                               ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 18:55                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 19:06                                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 19:10                                     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 19:11                                       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 19:39                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 20:09                                       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 21:36                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 21:53                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 22:20                                           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-01  8:00                                           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-01 14:47                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 15:03                                               ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-09-30 13:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2015-09-30 14:39                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 14:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2015-09-30 15:21                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 15:36                                   ` Avi Kivity
2015-09-30 20:40                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 21:00                                       ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  8:44                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  8:46                                         ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-01  8:52                                         ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  9:15                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  9:22                                             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  9:42                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  9:53                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:17                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:24                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:25                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:44                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:55                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 21:17                                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02 13:50                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  9:42                                               ` Vincent JARDIN
2015-10-01  9:43                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  9:48                                                   ` Vincent JARDIN
2015-10-01  9:54                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:14                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:23                                                     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2015-10-01 14:55                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 15:49                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 14:54                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01  9:55                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  9:59                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:38                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:50                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 11:09                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 11:20                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 11:27                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 11:32                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 15:01                                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 15:08                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 15:46                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 15:11                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 15:19                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 15:40                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 11:31                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 11:34                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 11:08                                                     ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-01 11:23                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 12:07                                                         ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-01 13:14                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 16:04                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 21:02                                                             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02 14:00                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-02 14:07                                                                 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-04  9:07                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-02 15:56                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2015-10-02 16:57                                                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01  9:15                                           ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  9:29                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  9:38                                               ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 10:07                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:11                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01  9:16                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 17:28             ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 17:39               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 17:43                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 18:50                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-09-30 20:00                     ` Gleb Natapov
2015-09-30 20:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01  5:04                         ` Gleb Natapov
2015-09-30 17:44                 ` Gleb Natapov

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