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From: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>,
	hjk@hansjkoch.de, gregkh@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] uio_msi: device driver
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:43:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560DC51B.7030507@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151001163918.1bc98774@urahara>

On 10/01/2015 04:39 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:03:06 -0700
> Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2015 03:00 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:48:36 -0700
>>> Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/01/2015 07:57 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:59:02 +0300
>>>>> Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/01/2015 01:28 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>>>>>>> This is a new UIO device driver to allow supporting MSI-X and MSI devices
>>>>>>> in userspace.  It has been used in environments like VMware and older versions
>>>>>>> of QEMU/KVM where no IOMMU support is available.
>>>>>> Why not add msi/msix support to uio_pci_generic?
>>>>> That is possible but that would meet ABI and other resistance from the author.
>>>>> Also, uio_pci_generic makes it harder to find resources since it doesn't fully
>>>>> utilize UIO infrastructure.
>>>> I'd say you are better off actually taking this in the other direction.
>>>>   From what I have seen it seems like this driver is meant to deal with
>>>> mapping VFs contained inside of guests.  If you are going to fork off
>>>> and create a UIO driver for mapping VFs why not just make it specialize
>>>> in that.  You could probably simplify the code by dropping support for
>>>> legacy interrupts and IO regions since all that is already covered by
>>>> uio_pci_generic anyway if I am not mistaken.
>>>>
>>>> You could then look at naming it something like uio_vf since the uio_msi
>>>> is a bit of a misnomer since it is MSI-X it supports, not MSI interrupts.
>>> The support needs to cover:
>>>     - VF in guest
>>>     - VNIC in guest (vmxnet3)
>>> it isn't just about VF's
>> I get that, but the driver you are talking about adding is duplicating
>> much of what is already there in uio_pci_generic.  If nothing else it
>> might be worth while to look at replacing the legacy interrupt with
>> MSI.  Maybe look at naming it something like uio_pcie to indicate that
>> we are focusing on assigning PCIe and virtual devices that support MSI
>> and MSI-X and use memory BARs rather than legacy PCI devices that are
>> doing things like mapping I/O BARs and using INTx signaling.
>>
>> My main argument is that we should probably look at dropping support for
>> anything that isn't going to be needed.  If it is really important we
>> can always add it later.  I just don't see the value in having code
>> around for things we aren't likely to ever use with real devices as we
>> are stuck supporting it for the life of the driver. I'll go ahead and
>> provide a inline review of your patch 2/2 as I think my feedback might
>> make a bit more sense that way.
> Ok, but having one driver that can deal with failures with msi-x vector
> setup and fallback seemed like a better strategy.

Yes, but in the case of something like a VF it is going to just make a 
bigger mess of things since INTx doesn't work.  So what would you expect 
your driver to do in that case?  Also we have to keep in mind that the 
MSI-X failure case is very unlikely.

One other thing that just occurred to me is that you may want to try 
using the range allocation call instead of a hard set number of 
interrupts.  Then if you start running short on vectors you don't hard 
fail and instead just allocate what you can.

- Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-01 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 22:28 Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 22:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] uio: add support for ioctls Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 22:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] uio: new driver to support PCI MSI-X Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01  8:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 16:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 14:50     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 15:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 16:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 17:26       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 18:25         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-05 21:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-05 22:09       ` Vladislav Zolotarov
2015-10-05 22:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  7:33           ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-06 12:15             ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-06 14:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:41                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-16 17:11               ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-10-16 17:20                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-06 13:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  8:23           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 13:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 14:49               ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 15:00                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 16:40                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-01 23:40   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02  0:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  1:21       ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02  0:04     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  2:33       ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01  8:36 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] uio_msi: device driver Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:59 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 14:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 19:48     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01 22:00       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 23:03         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01 23:39           ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 23:43             ` Alexander Duyck [this message]
2015-10-02  0:04               ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  1:39                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-04 16:49                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-04 19:03                     ` Greg KH
2015-10-04 20:49                       ` Vlad Zolotarov

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