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From: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, hjk@hansjkoch.de, gregkh@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] uio: new driver to support PCI MSI-X
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:15:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5613BB7D.3060202@scylladb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151006083356.3da3defa@uryu.home.lan>

On 10/06/2015 10:33 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> Other than implementation objections, so far the two main arguments
> against this reduce to:
>    1. If you allow UIO ioctl then it opens an API hook for all the crap out
>       of tree UIO drivers to do what they want.
>    2. If you allow UIO MSI-X then you are expanding the usage of userspace
>       device access in an insecure manner.
>
> Another alternative which I explored was making a version of VFIO that
> works without IOMMU. It solves #1 but actually increases the likely negative
> response to arguent #2. This would keep same API, and avoid having to
> modify UIO. But we would still have the same (if not more resistance)
> from IOMMU developers who believe all systems have to be secure against
> root.

vfio's charter was explicitly aiming for modern setups with iommus.

This could be revisited, but I agree it will have even more resistance, 
justified IMO.

btw, (2) doesn't really add any insecurity.  The user could already poke 
at the msix tables (as well as perform DMA); they just couldn't get a 
useful interrupt out of them.

Maybe a module parameter "allow_insecure_dma" can be added to 
uio_pci_generic.  Without the parameter, bus mastering and msix is 
disabled, with the parameter it is allowed.  This requires the sysadmin 
to take a positive step in order to make use of their hardware.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-06 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 22:28 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] uio_msi: device driver Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 22:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] uio: add support for ioctls Stephen Hemminger
2015-09-30 22:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] uio: new driver to support PCI MSI-X Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01  8:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 16:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 14:50     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 15:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 16:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 17:26       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 18:25         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-05 21:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-05 22:09       ` Vladislav Zolotarov
2015-10-05 22:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  7:33           ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-06 12:15             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2015-10-06 14:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 15:41                 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-16 17:11               ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-10-16 17:20                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-06 13:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06  8:23           ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 13:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 14:49               ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-06 15:00                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-06 16:40                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-01 23:40   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02  0:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  1:21       ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02  0:04     ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  2:33       ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01  8:36 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] uio_msi: device driver Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-01 10:59 ` Avi Kivity
2015-10-01 14:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 19:48     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01 22:00       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 23:03         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-01 23:39           ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-01 23:43             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-02  0:04               ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-02  1:39                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-10-04 16:49                   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-10-04 19:03                     ` Greg KH
2015-10-04 20:49                       ` Vlad Zolotarov

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