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From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: "Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 10:59:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c21fd93-a875-4fde-ae02-0a146f0efdb4@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZlWVYFVbuSvyDtEw@bricha3-mobl1.ger.corp.intel.com>

On 2024-05-28 10:27, Bruce Richardson wrote:
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Mattias Rönnblom wrote:
>> On 2024-05-28 09:43, Mattias Rönnblom wrote:
>>> Provide build option to have functions in <rte_memcpy.h> delegate to
>>> the standard compiler/libc memcpy(), instead of using the various
>>> traditional, handcrafted, per-architecture rte_memcpy()
>>> implementations.
>>>
>>> A new meson build option 'use_cc_memcpy' is added. The default is
>>> true. It's not obvious what should be the default, but compiler
>>> memcpy() is enabled by default in this RFC so any tests run with this
>>> patch use the new approach.
>>>
>>> One purpose of this RFC is to make it easy to evaluate the costs and
>>> benefits of a switch.
>>>
>>
>> I've tested this patch some with DSW micro benchmarks, and the result is a
>> 2.5% reduction of the DSW+testapp overhead with cc/libc memcpy. GCC 11.4.
>>
>> We've also run characteristic test suite of a large, real world app. Here,
>> we saw no effect. GCC 10.5.
>>
>> x86_64 in both cases (Skylake and Raptor Lake).
>>
>> Last time we did the same, there were a noticeable performance degradation
>> in both the above cases.
>>
>> This is not a lot of data points, but I think it we should consider making
>> the custom RTE memcpy() implementations optional in the next release, and if
>> no-one complains, remove the implementations in the next release.
>>
>> (Whether or not [or how long] to keep the wrapper API is another question.)
>>
>> <snip>
> 
> The other instance I've heard mention of in the past is virtio/vhost, which
> used to have a speedup from the custom memcpy.
> 
> My own thinking on these cases, is that for targetted settings like these,
> we should look to have local memcpy functions written - taking account of
> the specifics of each usecase. For virtio/vhost for example, we can have
> assumptions around host buffer alignment, and we also can be pretty
> confident we are copying to another CPU. For DSW, or other eventdev cases,
> we would only be looking at copies of multiples of 16, with guaranteed
> 8-byte alignment on both source and destination. Writing efficient copy fns

In such cases, you should first try to tell the compiler that it's safe 
to assume that the pointers have a certain alignment.

void copy256(void *dst, const void *src)
{
     memcpy(dst, src, 256);
}

void copy256_a(void *dst, const void *src)
{
     void *dst_a = __builtin_assume_aligned(dst, 32);
     const void *src_a = __builtin_assume_aligned(src, 32);
     memcpy(dst_a, src_a, 256);
}

The first will generate loads/stores without alignment restrictions, 
while the latter will use things like vmovdqa or vmovaps.

(I doubt there's much of a performance difference though, if any at all.)

> for specific scenarios can be faster and more effective than trying to
> write a general, optimized in all cases, memcpy. It also discourages the
> use of non-libc memcpy except where really necessary.
> 
> Naturally, if we find there are a lot of cases where use of libc memcpy
> slows us down, we will want to keep a general rte_memcpy. However, I'd hope
> the slowdown cases are very few.
> 
> /Bruce

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-28  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-27 11:11 [RFC] " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-28  7:43 ` [RFC v2] " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-28  8:19   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-28  8:27     ` Bruce Richardson
2024-05-28  8:59       ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2024-05-28  9:07         ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-28 16:17           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-28 14:59     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-28 15:09       ` Bruce Richardson
2024-05-31  5:19         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-31 16:50           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-02 11:33             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-28 16:03       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-29 21:55         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-28  8:20   ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-02 12:39   ` [RFC v3 0/5] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 12:39     ` [RFC v3 1/5] event/dlb2: include headers for vector and memory copy APIs Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-05  6:49       ` [PATCH 0/5] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-05  6:49         ` [PATCH 1/5] event/dlb2: include headers for vector and memory copy APIs Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-05  6:49         ` [PATCH 2/5] net/octeon_ep: properly include vector API header file Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-05  6:49         ` [PATCH 3/5] distributor: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-10 14:27           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-06-05  6:49         ` [PATCH 4/5] fib: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-10 14:28           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-06-05  6:49         ` [PATCH 5/5] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  7:24         ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 1/6] net/fm10k: add missing intrinsic include Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  9:02             ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20  9:28             ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20 11:40               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:59                 ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20 11:50             ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 1/6] net/fm10k: add missing vector API header include Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 12:34                 ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20 17:57                 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 01/13] net/i40e: add missing vector API header include Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 02/13] net/iavf: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 03/13] net/ice: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 04/13] net/ixgbe: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 05/13] net/ngbe: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 06/13] net/txgbe: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 07/13] net/virtio: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 08/13] net/fm10k: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 09/13] event/dlb2: include headers for vector and memory copy APIs Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 10/13] net/octeon_ep: add missing vector API header include Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 11/13] distributor: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 12/13] fib: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 17:57                   ` [PATCH v4 13/13] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-21 15:19                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-24 10:05                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-06-24 17:56                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-25 13:06                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-25 13:34                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-06-20 18:53                   ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Optionally have rte_memcpy delegate to compiler memcpy Morten Brørup
2024-06-21  6:56                   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-21  7:04                     ` David Marchand
2024-06-21  7:35                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-21  7:41                         ` David Marchand
2024-06-25 15:29                   ` Maxime Coquelin
2024-06-25 15:44                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-25 19:27                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-26  8:37                       ` Maxime Coquelin
2024-06-26 14:58                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-26 15:24                           ` Maxime Coquelin
2024-06-26 18:47                             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-26 20:16                               ` Morten Brørup
2024-06-27 11:06                                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-27 15:10                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-27 15:23                                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 2/6] event/dlb2: include headers for vector and memory copy APIs Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 3/6] net/octeon_ep: add missing vector API header include Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 4/6] distributor: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 5/6] fib: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 11:50               ` [PATCH v3 6/6] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 2/6] event/dlb2: include headers for vector and memory copy APIs Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  9:03             ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 3/6] net/octeon_ep: properly include vector API header file Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20 14:43             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 4/6] distributor: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  9:13             ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 5/6] fib: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-20  9:14             ` Bruce Richardson
2024-06-20 14:43               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-20  7:24           ` [PATCH v2 6/6] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 12:39     ` [RFC v3 2/5] net/octeon_ep: properly include vector API header file Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 12:39     ` [RFC v3 3/5] distributor: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 12:39     ` [RFC v3 4/5] fib: " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 12:39     ` [RFC v3 5/5] eal: provide option to use compiler memcpy instead of RTE Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-02 20:58       ` Morten Brørup
2024-06-03 17:04         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-06-03 17:08           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-29 21:56 ` [RFC] " Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-02 11:30   ` Mattias Rönnblom

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