Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v12 0/7] ethdev: add new Rx offload flags

[Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>]

On 10/21/2019 4:19 PM, Pavan Nikhilesh Bhagavatula wrote:
> Hi Ferruh,
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:37 PM
>> To: Andrew Rybchenko <arybchenko@solarflare.com>; Pavan Nikhilesh
>> Bhagavatula <pbhagavatula@marvell.com>; Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
>> <jerinj@marvell.com>
>> Cc: dev@dpdk.org; Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>;
>> Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>; Xiaolong Ye
>> <xiaolong.ye@intel.com>; Bruce Richardson
>> <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
>> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v12 0/7] ethdev: add new Rx
>> offload flags
>> On 10/18/2019 11:31 AM, Andrew Rybchenko wrote:
>>> On 10/18/19 12:42 PM, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2019 8:32 AM, Andrew Rybchenko wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ferruh,
>>>>>
>>>>> since I've reviewed I'll reply as I understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/19 8:43 PM, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/17/2019 1:02 PM, pbhagavatula@marvell.com wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Pavan Nikhilesh <pbhagavatula@marvell.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Add new Rx offload flags `DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_RSS_HASH` and
>>>>>>>    `DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_FLOW_MARK`. These flags can be used to
>>>>>>>    enable/disable PMD writes to rte_mbuf fields `hash.rss` and
>> `hash.fdir.hi`
>>>>>>>    and also `ol_flags:PKT_RX_RSS` and `ol_flags:PKT_RX_FDIR`.
>>>>>> Hi Pavan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially sorry for involving late,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we expose an interface to the applications, they will expect
>> those will be
>>>>>> respected by underlying PMDs.
>>>>>> As far as I can see drivers are updated to report new added Rx
>> offload flags as
>>>>>> supported capabilities but drivers are not using those flags at all,
>> so
>>>>>> application providing that flag won't really enable/disable
>> anything, I think
>>>>>> this is a problem and it is wrong to lie even for the PMDs J
>>>>> It is required to let applications know that the offload is supported.
>>>>> There are a number of cases when an offload cannot be disabled,
>>>>> but it does not mean that the offload must not be advertised.
>>>> Can't disable is something else, although I believe that is rare case, in
>> this
>>>> case driver can enable/disable the RSS and representing this as an
>> offload
>>>> capability.
>>>
>>> It is not enabling/disabling the RSS. It is enabling/disabling RSS hash
>>> delivery
>>> together with an mbuf.
>>
>>
>> Got it, it is related to the RSS hash delivery.
>>
>>>
>>>> But when user want to configure this offload by setting or unsetting
>> in offload
>>>> config, driver just ignores it.
>>>
>>> When application enables offload, it says that it needs it and going to
>> use
>>> (required). When the offload is not enabled, application simply don't
>> care.
>>> So, if the information is still provided it does not harm.
>>
>>
>> Not sure if there is no harm, a config option not respected by
>> underlying PMDs
>> silently is a problem I think.
>>
>>>
>>>>> If driver see benefits from disabling the offload (e.g. avoid delivery
>>>>> of RSS hash from NIC to host), it can do it after the patchset.
>>>> Yes but I think this patchset shouldn't ignore that disabling the
>> feature is not
>>>> implemented yet. If those PMDs that has been updated to report
>> the HASH
>>>> capability has RSS enabled by default, I suggest adding a check for
>> this offload
>>>> in PMD,
>>>> if it is requested to disable (which means not requested for enable),
>> print a
>>>> log saying disabling HASH is not supported and set this flag in the
>> offload
>>>> configuration to say PMD is configured to calculate the HASH.
>>>> Later PMD maintainers may prefer to replace that error log with
>> actual disable code.
>>>
>>> It is possible to do. Of course, it is better to provide real offload
>>> values on get, but
>>> eth_conf is const in rte_eth_dev_configure(), so, we can't change it
>> and
>>> it is good.
>>> So, the only way is rte_eth_rx_queue_info_get().
>>> I guess there is a lot of space for the same improvement for other Rx
>>> offloads
>>> in various PMDs.
>>
>>
>> We don't need the update 'eth_conf' parameter of the
>> 'rte_eth_dev_configure()',
>> that is what user requested, but config stored in 'dev->data->dev_conf'
>> which
>> can be updated.
>>
>>> Also I worry that it could be not that trivial to do in all effected PMDs.
>>
>>
>> Yes it can be some work, and if this patchset doesn't do it, who will do
>> the work?
>>
>>>
>>>>>> Specific to `DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_RSS_HASH`, we have already
>> some RSS config
>>>>>> structures and it is part of the 'rte_eth_dev_configure()' API,
>> won't it create
>>>>>> multiple way to do same thing?
>>>>> No, a new offload is responsible for RSS hash delivery from NIC to
>> host
>>>>> and fill in in mbuf returned to application on Rx.
>>>> What you have described is already happening without the new
>> offload flag and
>>>> this is my concern that we are duplicating it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a 'struct rte_eth_rxmode' (under 'struct rte_eth_conf')
>>>> which has 'enum rte_eth_rx_mq_mode mq_mode;'
>>>>
>>>> If "mq_mode == ETH_MQ_RX_NONE" hash calculation is disabled,
>> and
>>>> 'mbuf::hash::rss' is not updated.
>>>
>>> No-no. It binds RSS distribution and hash delivery. What the new
>>> offload allows to achieve: I want Rx to spread traffic over many Rx
>>> queues, but I don't need RSS hash.
>>
>>
>> I see, so RSS configuration will stay same, but driver needs to take care
>> the
>> new flags to decide to update or not the mbuf::rss::hash field.
>>
>> I don't know if disabling RSS but calculating hash is supported, if not
>> supported that case also should be checked by driver.
>>
>>>
>>>> (Thanks Bruce to helping finding it out)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> And for the `ol_flags:PKT_RX_RSS` flag, it was already used to
>> mark that
>>>>>> 'mbuf::hash::rss' is valid, right? Is there anything new related that
>> in the set?
>>>>> As I understand you mean, ol_flags::PKT_RX_RSS_HASH.
>>>>> Yes, the new offload allows say if application needs it or now.
>>>>> Basically it decouples RSS distribution and hash delivery.
>>>> Setting 'ol_flags::PKT_RX_RSS_HASH' and 'mbuf::hash::rss' already
>> there and not
>>>> changing. I just want to clarify since this is not clear in the commit log.
>>>>
>>>> Only addition is to add a new flag to control PMD to enable/disable
>> hash
>>>> calculation (which PMDs ignore in the patch ???)
>>>
>>> It is not calculation, but delivery of the value from HW to applications.
>>
>>
>> OK
>>
>>> Yes, commit log may/should be improved.>
>>>>>> Specific to the `DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_FLOW_MARK` and
>> `RTE_FLOW_ACTION_FLAG`, they are
>>>>>> rte_flow actions, application can verify and later request these
>> actions via
>>>>>> rte_flow APIs. Why we are adding an additional RX_OFFLOAD flag
>> for them?
>>>>> The reason is basically the same as above. HW needs to know in
>> advance,
>>>>> if application is going to use flow marks and configure Rx queue to
>> enable
>>>>> the information delivery.
>>>> What you described is done via 'rte_flow_create()' API, application
>> will request
>>>> those actions via API and Rx queue will be configured accordingly,
>> this is more
>>>> dynamic approach. Why application need to set this additional
>> configuration flag?
>>>
>>> More dynamic approach is definitely better, but it is not always
>> possible.
>>> Some PMDs can't even change MTU dynamically or MTU changing
>> requires
>>> restart which is hardly really a dynamic change. Of course, it is
>>> unlikely that
>>> MTU is changed when traffic is running etc, but still possible.
>>> The information about necessity to support flow marks delivery may
>>> be required on Rx queue setup and cannot be changed dynamically
>> when
>>> Rx queue is running and application would like to add flow rule with
>> mark
>>> action.
>>
>> It doesn't need to be changed dynamically, application can call
>> 'rte_flow_validate()' and learn if it can set this action or not. Perhaps I
>> am
>> missing something, when it is required to have this as configuration
>> option?
>>
>>>
>>>> And as above the new RX offload flags ignored by PMDs, hard to
>> understand what
>>>> is the intention here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Above usage of flags feels like the intention is adding some capability
>>>> information for the PMDs more that adding new offload
>> configuration.
>>>> If so this is bigger/older problem, and instead of abusing the offload
>> flags we
>>>> can think of an API to present device capabilities, and move
>> features.ini
>>>> content to the API in long term.
>>>
>>> What I really like with these new offload flags for Rx hash and flow
>> mark is
>>> that it makes features which provide information in mbuf on Rx
>> consistent:
>>>   - want timestamp? => DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_TIMESTAMP
>>>   - want Rx checksum flags => DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_CHECKSUM
>>>   - want to strip VLAN? => DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_VLAN_STRIP
>>>   - want RSS hash? => DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_RSS_HASH
>>>   - want flow mark support? => DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_FLOW_MARK
>>>
>>> Also it perfectly fits dynamic mbuf fields and allows to make RSS hash
>>> and flow mark fields dynamic with the new offloads as controls
>>
>> Agree RSS_HASH fits well, my main concern with the patchset is driver
>> implementations are missing and just ignored.
>>
> 
> Ignoring driver implementation is intentional as it involves adding a branch
> in Rx fastpath function for all drivers and might have -ve effects on performance.

Yes it may affect performance. Also it may be too much driver specific
implementation.

That is why I suggest, following:
For the drivers that claim this capability,
- For the case driver updates the mbuf::rss:hash
  Check if this offload requested or not, if not print an error and set internal
config as this offload enabled

- For the case driver not updates the mbuf::rss:hash
  Check if this offload requested or not, if requested print an error and set
internal config as this offload disabled

Later PMD maintainers may prefer to replace those errors with actual
implementation if they want.


> 
>> I am not so sure about FLOW_MARK one, it looks like it is duplicating the
>> rte_flow API.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>    Add new packet type set function
>> `rte_eth_dev_set_supported_ptypes`,
>>>>>>>    allows application to inform PMDs about the packet types it is
>> interested
>>>>>>>    in. Based on ptypes requested by application PMDs can
>> optimize the Rx path.
>>>>>> OK to the API, but why "Packet type parsing" feature updated to
>> say it should
>>>>>> implement this API?
>>>>>> Is this API really required to say "Packet type parsing" supported
>> by PMD?
>>>>> As I understand it is not strictly required, but related to the feature.
>>>> I am OK with "related", but it is documented as "implements", so doc
>> says it is
>>>> required.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>>>>>    For example, if a given PMD doesn't support any packet types
>> that the
>>>>>>>    application is interested in then the application can disable[1]
>> writes to
>>>>>>>    `mbuf.packet_type` done by the PMD and use a software
>> ptype parser.
>>>>>>>         [1] rte_eth_dev_set_supported_ptypes(*port_id*,
>> RTE_PTYPE_UNKNOWN,
>>>>>>> 					  NULL, 0);
>>>>>> And for the 7/7 patch, why we are updating all examples, is the
>> API something do
>>>>>> we really need to call for any DPDK application? I am for leaving
>> the default
>>>>>> behavior unless there is a very specific case for set or disable
>> packet typing.
>>>>>> Instead implement a command in testpmd to test this feature.
>>>>> If an application does not use packet types provided in mbuf, it is
>>>>> better to inform PMD that the information is not required to allow
>> PMD
>>>>> to do optimizations.
>>>>>
>>>> I can see disabling packet type detection may increase the
>> performance but
>>>> sample applications are to demonstrate a specific feature, adding
>> these kind of
>>>> APIs will pollute them.
>>>> 'skeleton' app that shows the most basic code for forwarding
>> sample, why it is
>>>> now having "experimental" 'set_supported_ptypes()' API? Same for
>> other. As said
>>>> before I think a testpmd command suits better here.
>>>
>>> May be you're right and we should reconsider which applications
>>> are updated and which are ignored. I guess before the criteria
>>> was simple: don't use packet type information, say so to take
>>> benefits from all possible optimizations.
>>>
>>>>> Yes, may be it would be better to have it as the
>>>>> default behaviour, but it would be behaviour change in comparison
>>>>> to previous DPDK releases and it is better to avoid it.
>>>> Sorry I missed why not calling this function cause behavior change? I
>> think it
>>>> is other way around, no?
>>>
>>> Just misunderstanding. What I was trying to say is that it could
>>> be more logical to have packet type parsing and delivery
>>> disabled by default  (as we have for all other offloads), but
>>> it would be behaviour change from application point of view.
>>> That's why it is necessary to disable explicitly.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> v12 Changes:
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> - Rebase onto next-net.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v11 Changes:
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> - Use RTE_DIM to get array size.
>>>>>>> - Since we are using a list of MASKs to validate ptype_mask
>> return -EINVAL
>>>>>>>     if any unknown mask is set.
>>>>>>> - Rebase to TOT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v10 Changes:
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> - Modify ptype_mask validation in
>> set_supported_ptypes.(Andrew)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v9 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Add ptype_mask validation in set_supported_ptypes.(Andrew)
>>>>>>> - Make description more verbose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v8 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Make description more verbose.
>>>>>>> - Set RTE_PTYPE_UNKNOWN in set_ptypes array when either
>> get ot set ptypes
>>>>>>>     is not supported by ethernet device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v7 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Fix unused variable in net/octeontx2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v6 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Add additional checks for set supported ptypes.(Andrew)
>>>>>>> - Clarify `rte_eth_dev_set_supported_ptypes` documentation.
>>>>>>> - Remove DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_FLOW_MARK emulation from
>> net/octeontx2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v5 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Fix typos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v4 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Set the last element in set_ptype array as
>> RTE_PTYPE_UNKNOWN to mark the end
>>>>>>>     of array.
>>>>>>> - Fix invalid set ptype function call in examples.
>>>>>>> - Remove setting rte_eth_dev_set_supported_ptypes to
>> UNKNOWN in l3fwd-power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v3 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Add missing release notes. (Andrew)
>>>>>>> - Re-word various descriptions.
>>>>>>> - Fix ptype set logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v2 Changes:
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> - Update release notes. (Andrew)
>>>>>>> - Redo commit logs. (Andrew)
>>>>>>> - Disable ptype parsing for unsupported examples. (Jerin)
>>>>>>> - Disable RSS write only in generic mode eventdev_pipeline.
>> (Jerin)
>>>>>>> - Modify set_supported_ptypes function to return successfuly
>> set mask
>>>>>>>     instead of failure.
>>>>>>> - Dropped set_supported_ptypes to drivers by handling in library
>>>>>>>     layer, interested PMD can add it in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pavan Nikhilesh (7):
>>>>>>>     ethdev: add set ptype function
>>>>>>>     ethdev: add mbuf RSS update as an offload
>>>>>>>     ethdev: add flow action type update as an offload
>>>>>>>     drivers/net: update Rx RSS hash offload capabilities
>>>>>>>     drivers/net: update Rx flow flag and mark capabilities
>>>>>>>     examples/eventdev_pipeline: add new Rx RSS hash offload
>>>>>>>     examples: disable Rx packet type parsing
>>>>>> <...>
>>>
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