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From: "Eads, Gage" <gage.eads@intel.com>
To: Ola Liljedahl <Ola.Liljedahl@arm.com>, "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Cc: "jerinj@marvell.com" <jerinj@marvell.com>,
	"mczekaj@marvell.com" <mczekaj@marvell.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"stephen@networkplumber.org" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"olivier.matz@6wind.com" <olivier.matz@6wind.com>,
	"arybchenko@solarflare.com" <arybchenko@solarflare.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 04:26:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9184057F7FC11744A2107296B6B8EB1E541CCFEC@FMSMSX108.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1548766621.3135.26.camel@arm.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ola Liljedahl [mailto:Ola.Liljedahl@arm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:57 AM
> To: Eads, Gage <gage.eads@intel.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> Cc: jerinj@marvell.com; mczekaj@marvell.com; nd <nd@arm.com>;
> Richardson, Bruce <bruce.richardson@intel.com>; Ananyev, Konstantin
> <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>; stephen@networkplumber.org;
> olivier.matz@6wind.com; arybchenko@solarflare.com
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure
> 
> On Mon, 2019-01-28 at 12:14 -0600, Gage Eads wrote:
> > 64-bit head and tail index widths greatly increases the time it takes
> > for them to wrap-around (with current CPU speeds, it won't happen
> > within the author's lifetime). This is fundamental to avoiding the ABA
> > problem -- in which a thread mistakes reading the same tail index in
> > two accesses to mean that the ring was not modified in the intervening
> > time -- in the upcoming non-blocking ring implementation. Using a
> > 64-bit index makes the possibility of this occurring effectively zero.
> Just an observation.
> The following invariant holds (using ring_size instead of mask):
> ∀ index: ring[index % ring_size].index % ring_size == index % ring_size i.e. the N
> (N=log2 ring size) lsb of ring[].index will always be the same (for a specific slot)
> so serve no purpose.
> 
> This means we don't have to store the whole index in each slot, it is enough to
> store "index / ring_size" (which I call the lap counter). This could be useful for an
> implementation for 32-bit platforms which support 64-bit CAS (to write the slot
> ptr & index (lap counter) atomically) and uses 64-bit head & tail indexes (to avoid
> the quick wrap around you would have with 32-bit ring indexes).
> 
> So
> ring[index % ring_size].lap = index / ring_size;
> 
> An implementation could of course use bitwise-and instead of modulo and
> bitwise- right shift instead of division. The 2-logaritm of ring_size should also be
> pre- calcucated and stored in the ring buffer metadata.
> 

That's a pretty interesting idea. The question is, with such a design, what should DPDK's minimum NB ring size be on 32-bit platforms?

If a ring entry is written on average every M cycles, then a lap occurs every M*N cycles and each counter repeats every M*N*2^32 cycles. If M=100 on a 2GHz system, then the counter repeats every

N=1: 3.33 minutes
...
N=256: 14.22 hours
N=512: 28.44 hours
N=1024: 2.37 days
...
N=16384: 37.92 days

I think a minimum size of 1024 strikes a good balance between not too burdensome and sufficiently low odds of ABA occurring.

Thanks,
Gage

[snip]

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-30  4:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-10 21:01 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/6] Add non-blocking ring Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/6] ring: change head and tail to pointer-width size Gage Eads
2019-01-11  4:38   ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-11 19:07     ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 10:25   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-11 19:12     ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 19:55       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-15 15:48         ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 10:40   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-11 10:58     ` Bruce Richardson
2019-01-11 11:30       ` Burakov, Anatoly
     [not found]         ` <20190111115851.GC3336@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>
2019-01-11 19:27           ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-21 14:14             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-22 18:27               ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/6] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/6] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/6] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 5/6] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-13 13:43   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 6/6] doc: add NB ring comment to EAL "known issues" Gage Eads
2019-01-11  2:51   ` Varghese, Vipin
2019-01-11 19:30     ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-14  0:07       ` Varghese, Vipin
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/5] ring: change head and tail to pointer-width size Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-16  0:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-18 15:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-22 10:12       ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 14:49       ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 21:31         ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-23 10:16           ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-25 17:21             ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 10:35               ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:54                 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 22:31                   ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 13:34               ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-28 13:43                 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 14:04                   ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-28 14:06                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:59                 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-18 15:23     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-22  9:27     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 10:15       ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 19:15       ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-23 16:02       ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-23 16:29         ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 13:10           ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-25  5:20     ` [dpdk-dev] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-25 17:42       ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-25 17:56       ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 10:41         ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-01-29 12:56         ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-30  4:26           ` Eads, Gage [this message]
2019-01-28 18:14       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 15:50               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-19 15:50                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:49             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Eads, Gage
2019-03-18 21:49               ` Eads, Gage
2019-03-19 15:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-19 15:51                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-01 19:23                 ` Eads, Gage
2019-04-01 19:23                   ` Eads, Gage
2019-04-02 10:16                   ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-04-02 10:16                     ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-04-04 22:28                     ` Eads, Gage
2019-04-04 22:28                       ` Eads, Gage
2019-03-19  1:20             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 " Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-19  1:20                 ` Gage Eads
2019-04-03 16:46               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-03 16:46                 ` Thomas Monjalon

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