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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Marc Sune" <marcdevel@gmail.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] ethdev: add port speed capability bitmap
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 00:50:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC358AF3BD@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+3n-TqTraUpWpRXN1RfZjijwDXJR0ovXkH8ZiH8PWOAzuYbEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Comments inline, marked MB>.

Med venlig hilsen / kind regards
- Morten Brørup

Marc Sune <marcdevel@gmail.com> on 14. september 2015 23:34 wrote:

2015-09-14 12:52 GMT+02:00 Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>:
> It is important to consider that a multipath link (bonding etc.) is not a physical link, but a logical link (built on top of multiple physical links). Regardless whether it is a Layer2 link aggregate (IEEE 802.1ad, Ethernet bonding, EtherChannel, DSL pair bonding, etc.) or a Layer3 multipath link (e.g. simultaneously using Wi-Fi and mobile networks). So it doesn't make sense trying to impose physical link properties on a purely logical link. Likewise, it doesn't make sense to impose logical link properties on physical links. In other words: Don't consider bonding or any other logical link types when designing the PHY API.

+1
 

> I think there is consensus that 1/ (PHY capabilities) and 2/ (PHY advertisements) should use the same definitions, specifically a bitmap field. And when you disregard bonding, I don't see any reason to use different definitions for 3/ (PHY negotiation result). This makes it one unified API for all three purposes.

Agree.
 

> Nelio suggested adding a support function to convert the bitmap field to a speed value as an integer. I strongly support this, because you cannot expect the bitmap to be ordered by speed. 

Agree with Nelio&you. This is useful.
 
> This support function will be able to determine which speed is higher when exotic speeds are added to the bitmap. Please extend this conversion function to give three output parameters: speed, full/half duplex, auto negotiation/non-auto negotiation, or add two separate functions to get the duplex and auto-negotiation.

Since, Full/Half duplex is for legacy 10/100Mbps only (afaik), I have my doubts on using a bit for all speeds. I would suggest to define (unroll) 100M (or 100M_FD) and 100M_HD, and the same 10Mbps/1gbps, as Thomas was suggesting some mails ago.

This was done in v4 (implicitely 100M == 100M_FD). See below.
 
MB> I didn't intend two bits to be allocated in the bitmap for all speeds to support full/half duplex, only for the relevant speeds. Since full duplex is dominant, I agree with the previous decision (originally suggested by Thomas, I think) to make full duplex implicit unless half duplex is explicitly specified. E.g. 10M_HD, 10M (alias 10M_FD), 100M_HD, 100M (alias 100M_FD), 1000M (or 1G), 2500M, 10G, 40G, 100G, etc.


> I haven't read the suggested code, but there should be some means in 2/ (advertisements) to disable auto negotiation, e.g. a single bit in the bitmap to indicate if the speed/duplex-indicating bits in the bitmap means forced speed/duplex (in which case only a single speed/duplex-bit should be set) or auto negotiation advertised speed/duplex (in which case multiple speed/duplex-bits can be set). 

Agree.

v3/4 of this patch adds the bitmap in the advertised, as per discussed, to select a group of speeds This is not implemented by drivers yet (!).

So, as of v4 of this patch, there could be: a) autoneg any supported speed (=> bitmap == 0) b) autoneg over group of speeds (=> more than one bit set in the bitmap) c) forced speed (one and only one set in the bitmap).

I think this is precisely what you meant + b) as a bonus

MB> This was not what I meant, but it wasn't very clearly written, so I'll try again: Add an additional single bit "NO_AUTONEG" (or whatever you want to name it) to the 2/ (advertisements) bitmap that explicitly turns off auto negotiation and tries to force the selected speed/duplex (i.e. only one other bit can be set in the bitmap when the NO_AUTONEG bit is set). Your c) makes it impossible to use auto negotiation to advertise a specific speed/duplex, e.g. 100M_FD. My suggested NO_AUTONEG bit can also be used in 3/ (result) to indicate that the speed was a result of Parallel Detection, i.e. that auto negotiation failed or was disabled in either end of the link.

MB> However, I like your suggestion a).

 
> And some means in 3/ (result) and maybe 2/ (advertisements) to select and/or indicate physical interface in dual-personality ports (e.g. ports where the PHY has both an SFP and a RJ45 connector, but only one of the two can be used at any time).

For rte_eth_link_get() I don't have such a strong opinion. You either

* encode the link speed and duplex as of now, separating duplex and numeric speed. I would suggest to add the encoded speed+duplex bitmap flag for consistency (although redundant).
* or you return a single value, the bitmap with a single flag set of the unrolled speeds, and then have the helpers int rte_eth_speed_from_bm(int val_bm) and bool rte_eth_duplex_from_bm(int val_bm).

MB> I prefer the latter of the two, only because it makes 3/ (result) consistent with 1/ (capabilities) and 2/ (advertisements).


Marc


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-14 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-11 23:45 [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH " Marc Sune
2015-05-11 23:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 1/2] Added ETH_SPEED_CAP bitmap in rte_eth_dev_info Marc Sune
2015-05-25 17:46   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-05-26  8:41     ` Marc Sune
2015-05-26 15:03   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-05-26 15:09     ` Marc Sune
2015-05-11 23:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 2/2] Filling speed capability bitmaps in the PMDs Marc Sune
2015-05-25 16:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/2] ethdev: add port speed capability bitmap Marc Sune
2015-05-26 19:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 " Marc Sune
2015-05-26 19:50   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] Added ETH_SPEED_CAP bitmap in rte_eth_dev_info Marc Sune
2015-05-27  4:02     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-05-27  9:15       ` Marc Sune
2015-05-29 18:23         ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-06-08  8:50           ` Marc Sune
2015-06-11  9:08             ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-06-11 14:35               ` Marc Sune
2015-05-26 19:50   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] Filling speed capability bitmaps in the PMDs Marc Sune
2015-05-26 21:20     ` Igor Ryzhov
2015-05-27  8:59       ` Marc Sune
2015-08-28 23:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/2] ethdev: add port speed capability bitmap Marc Sune
2015-08-28 23:20     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/2] Added ETH_SPEED_ bitmap in rte_eth_dev_info Marc Sune
2015-08-28 23:20     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/2] Filling speed capability bitmaps in the PMDs Marc Sune
2015-08-29  0:16     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] ethdev: add port speed capability bitmap Marc Sune
2015-08-29  0:16       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/2] Added ETH_SPEED_ bitmap in rte_eth_dev_info Marc Sune
2015-08-29  0:16       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] Filling speed capability bitmaps in the PMDs Marc Sune
2015-09-07 20:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] ethdev: add port speed capability bitmap Marc Sune
2015-09-08 10:03         ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2015-09-08 20:26           ` Marc Sune
2015-09-09 13:10           ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2015-09-09 13:33             ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-09-13 19:14               ` Marc Sune
2015-09-13 21:18                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-09-14 10:02                   ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2015-09-14 10:52                   ` Morten Brørup
2015-09-14 21:33                     ` Marc Sune
2015-09-14 22:50                       ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2015-09-15  8:25                         ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2015-09-15  8:48                           ` Marc Sune
2015-09-15  9:39                             ` Morten Brørup
2015-09-15 10:04                             ` Adrien Mazarguil
2015-09-15 10:24                               ` Morten Brørup
2015-09-15 21:20                               ` Marc Sune
2015-09-16 14:41                                 ` Adrien Mazarguil
2015-09-15  7:05                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-09-15  7:33                         ` Morten Brørup
2015-09-15  9:06                       ` Morten Brørup
2015-10-04 21:12       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/4] ethdev: add speed capabilities and refactor link API Marc Sune
2015-10-04 21:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/4] ethdev: Added ETH_SPEED_CAP bitmap for ports Marc Sune
2015-10-04 21:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/4] ethdev: Fill speed capability bitmaps in the PMDs Marc Sune
2015-10-04 21:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/4] ethdev: redesign link speed config API Marc Sune
2015-10-05 10:59           ` Neil Horman
2015-10-07 13:31             ` Marc Sune
2015-10-06 13:48           ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2015-10-07 13:37             ` Marc Sune
2016-01-28 17:33           ` Harish Patil
2016-02-02  2:20             ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-02-02 22:30               ` Marc
2016-02-11 15:27                 ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2016-02-11 23:23                   ` Marc
2015-10-04 21:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/4] doc: update with link changes Marc Sune
2015-10-04 21:21         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/4] ethdev: add speed capabilities and refactor link API Marc Sune

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