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From: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Ajit Khaparde" <ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com>,
	"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"Thomas Monjalon" <thomas@monjalon.net>
Cc: "Andrew Rybchenko" <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
	<dev@dpdk.org>, "Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	<david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	<olivier.matz@6wind.com>, <jerinj@marvell.com>,
	<viacheslavo@nvidia.com>, <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	<maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>, <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	<hemant.agrawal@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 19:20:44 +0100
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35C613CA@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACZ4nhtrt7n+k0M8Y8X=woP2wYLzxaP8yStLLTWPOFCX6T=Cmw@mail.gmail.com>

Thomas,

Adding my thoughts to the already detailed feedback on this important patch...

The first cache line is not inherently "hotter" than the second. The hotness depends on their usage.

The mbuf cacheline1 marker has the following comment:
/* second cache line - fields only used in slow path or on TX */

In other words, the second cache line is intended not to be touched in fast path RX.

I do not think this is true anymore. Not even with simple non-scattered RX. And regression testing probably didn't catch this, because the tests perform TX after RX, so the cache miss moved from TX to RX and became a cache hit in TX instead. (I may be wrong about this claim, but it's not important for the discussion.)

I think the right question for this patch is: Can we achieve this - not using the second cache line for fast path RX - again by putting the right fields in the first cache line?

Probably not in all cases, but perhaps for some...

Consider the application scenarios.

When a packet is received, one of three things happens to it:
1. It is immediately transmitted on one or more ports.
2. It is immediately discarded, e.g. by a firewall rule.
3. It is put in some sort of queue, e.g. a ring for the next pipeline stage, or in a QoS queue.

1. If the packet is immediately transmitted, the m->tx_offload field in the second cache line will be touched by the application and TX function anyway, so we don't need to optimize the mbuf layout for this scenario.

2. The second scenario touches m->pool no matter how it is implemented. The application can avoid touching m->next by using rte_mbuf_raw_free(), knowing that the mbuf came directly from RX and thus no other fields have been touched. In this scenario, we want m->pool in the first cache line.

3. Now, let's consider the third scenario, where RX is followed by enqueue into a ring. If the application does nothing but put the packet into a ring, we don't need to move anything into the first cache line. But applications usually does more... So it is application specific what would be good to move to the first cache line:

A. If the application does not use segmented mbufs, and performs analysis and preparation for transmission in the initial pipeline stages, and only the last pipeline stage performs TX, we could move m->tx_offload to the first cache line, which would keep the second cache line cold until the actual TX happens in the last pipeline stage - maybe even after the packet has waited in a QoS queue for a long time, and its cache lines have gone cold.

B. If the application uses segmented mbufs on RX, it might make sense moving m->next to the first cache line. (We don't use segmented mbufs, so I'm not sure about this.)


However, reality perhaps beats theory:

Looking at the E1000 PMD, it seems like even its non-scattered RX function, eth_igb_recv_pkts(), sets m->next. If it only kept its own free pool pre-initialized instead... I haven't investigated other PMDs, except briefly looking at the mlx5 PMD, and it seems like it doesn't touch m->next in RX.

I haven't looked deeper into how m->pool is being used by RX in PMDs, but I suppose that it isn't touched in RX.

<rant on>
If only we had a performance test where RX was not immediately followed by TX, but the packets were passed through a large queue in-between, so RX cache misses were not free of charge because they transform TX cache misses into cache hits instead...
<rant off>

Whatever you choose, I am sure that most applications will find it more useful than the timestamp. :-)


Med venlig hilsen / kind regards
- Morten Brørup


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-31 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-29  9:27 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/15] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/15] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/15] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:58   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:19     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/15] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:08   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:12     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:33       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:46         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/15] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:13   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:40     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:20   ` Pattan, Reshma
2020-10-29 16:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/15] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/15] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/15] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/15] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/15] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/15] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:02   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:34     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:37       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:52     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-10-30 12:41       ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-01 16:12         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:00         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 11/15] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 12/15] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:20   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:43     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:52       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 13/15] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:21   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:44     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 14/15] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:23   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:18     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29 14:48   ` Kinsella, Ray
2020-10-29  9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:50   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:56     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:15       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-10-29 18:45         ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-31 18:20           ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2020-10-31 20:40             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01  9:12               ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-01 16:21                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 16:38                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:59                   ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-02 15:58                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:10                       ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 12:25                         ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 13:46                           ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 13:50                             ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 14:03                               ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 14:02                         ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 15:03                           ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-04 15:00                             ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-05  0:25                               ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-11-05  9:04                                 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05  9:35                                 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05 10:29                                   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-10-29 14:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Kinsella, Ray
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/14] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/14] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/14] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:39     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:52       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/14] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/14] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:32     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:10       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/14] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/14] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/14] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02  5:08     ` Ruifeng Wang
2020-11-02 23:20     ` David Christensen
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/14] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/14] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:28     ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-02  9:38       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 11:01         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/14] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/14] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/14] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/14] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:41     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 15:47       ` David Marchand
2020-11-02 15:49         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  9:33     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  9:59       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  9:18     ` Hemant Agrawal
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  8:12     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  8:12     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  0:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:20     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:52     ` Harman Kalra
2020-11-03 11:22       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:23           ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Harman Kalra
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:23     ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  0:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03  7:54     ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03  9:00   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp David Marchand
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:34     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:37     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 13:08       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:40     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:42     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:45     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 19:07     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 14:44     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 16:08   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 16:20     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 17:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 17:55         ` Thomas Monjalon

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