From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
"Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
<dev@dpdk.org>, "Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: "Jan Viktorin" <viktorin@rehivetech.com>,
"Ruifeng Wang" <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>,
"David Christensen" <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Stanislaw Kardach" <kda@semihalf.com>, "nd" <nd@arm.com>,
"nd" <nd@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC v2] non-temporal memcpy
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:49:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D871FD@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DBAPR08MB58145E249FDDAB2EC1E159C298979@DBAPR08MB5814.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
> From: Honnappa Nagarahalli [mailto:Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2022 19.38
>
[...]
> >
> > > > Yes, x86 needs 16B alignment for NT load/stores But that's
> supposed
> > > to be arch
> > > > specific limitation, that we probably want to hide, no?
> >
> > Correct. However, optional hints for optimization purposes will be
> available.
> > And it is up to the architecture specific implementation to make the
> best use
> > of these hints, or just ignore them.
> >
> > > > Inside the function can check alignment of both src and dst and
> > > decide should it
> > > > use NT load/store instructions or just do normal copy.
> > > IMO, the normal copy should not be done by this API under any
> > > conditions. Why not let the application call memcpy/rte_memcpy when
> > > the NT copy is not applicable? It helps the programmer to
> understand
> > > and debug the issues much easier.
> >
> > Yes, the programmer must choose between normal memcpy() and non-
> > temporal rte_memcpy_nt(). I am offering new functions, not modifying
> > memcpy() or rte_memcpy().
> >
> > And rte_memcpy_nt() will silently fall back to normal memcpy() if
> non-
> > temporal copying is unavailable, e.g. on POWER and RISC-V
> architectures,
> > which don't have NT load/store instructions.
> I am talking about a scenario where the application is being ported
> between architectures. Not everyone knows about the capabilities of the
> architecture. It is better to indicate upfront (ex: compilation
> failures) that a certain feature is not supported on the target
> architecture rather than the user having to discover through painful
> debugging.
I'm considering rte_memcpy_nt() a performance optimized variant of memcpy(), where the performance gain is less cache pollution. Thus, silent fallback to memcpy() should suffice.
Other architecture differences also affect DPDK performance; the inability to perform non-temporal load/store just one more to the (undocumented) list.
Failing at build time if NT load/store is unavailable by the architecture would prevent the function from being used by other DPDK libraries, e.g. by the rte_pktmbuf_copy() function used by the pdump library.
I don't oppose to your idea, I just don't have any idea how to reasonably implement it. So I'm trying to defend why it is not important.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-27 18:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-19 15:26 Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:00 ` David Christensen
2022-07-19 18:41 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:51 ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-19 22:15 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-21 23:19 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-22 10:44 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-24 13:35 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-24 22:18 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 10:00 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 10:46 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 11:50 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 17:17 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 22:00 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-30 9:51 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-02 9:05 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 12:13 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 16:05 ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-29 17:29 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-07 20:40 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 9:24 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:53 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-09 16:16 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 18:13 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 19:49 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 20:26 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 21:34 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:20 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 9:34 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:56 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 21:05 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:50 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 16:26 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-25 1:17 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 10:26 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 17:37 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 18:49 ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2022-07-27 19:12 ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-28 9:00 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 22:02 ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-28 10:51 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 9:21 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:25 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 9:46 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 12:05 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:00 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:47 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-08-09 17:24 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:59 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:12 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:55 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:18 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 21:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:53 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 22:24 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
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