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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
Cc: "Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	<dev@dpdk.org>, "Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Jan Viktorin" <viktorin@rehivetech.com>,
	"Ruifeng Wang" <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	"David Christensen" <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Stanislaw Kardach" <kda@semihalf.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC v2] non-temporal memcpy
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:29:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87210@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220729090548.2cdffd4e@hermes.local>

> From: Stephen Hemminger [mailto:stephen@networkplumber.org]
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 18.06
> 
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:13:52 +0000
> Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, missed that part.
> >
> > >
> > > > Another question - who will do 'sfence' after the copying?
> > > > Would it be inside memcpy_nt (seems quite costly), or would
> > > > it be another API function for that: memcpy_nt_flush() or so?
> > >
> > > Outside. Only the developer knows when it is required, so it
> wouldn't make any sense to add the cost inside memcpy_nt().
> > >
> > > I don't think we should add a flush function; it would just be
> another name for an already existing function. Referring to the
> required
> > > operation in the memcpy_nt() function documentation should suffice.
> > >
> >
> > Ok, but again wouldn't it be arch specific?
> > AFAIK for x86 it needs to boil down to sfence, for other
> architectures - I don't know.
> > If you think there already is some generic one (rte_wmb?) that would
> always produce
> > correct instructions - sure let's use it.
> >
> >
> 
> It makes sense in a few select places to use non-temporal copy.
> But it would add unnecessary complexity to DPDK if every function in
> DPDK that could
> cause a copy had a non-temporal variant.

Agree.

Packet capturing is one of those few places where it makes sense - the improvement scales with the number of packet, not just with the number of packet bursts.

> 
> Maybe just having rte_memcpy have a threshold (config value?) that if
> copy is larger than
> a certain size, then it would automatically be non-temporal.  Small
> copies wouldn't matter,
> the optimization is more about not stopping cache size issues with
> large streams of data.

Small copies matter too, if there are many of them. As shown in my previous response, a burst of 32 packets will save 6.25 % of a 64 KB L1 data cache, when copying 64 byte or less from each packet. The saving is per packet, so it quickly adds up.

Copying a burst of 32 1518 byte packets trashes 2 * 32 * 1536 = 98 KB data cache, i.e. the entire L1 cache.

The threshold in glibc's memcpy() is much higher than 1536 byte. I don't think it will be possible to find a good threshold that works 99 % of the time. So we have to let the application developer make the choice.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-19 15:26 Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:00 ` David Christensen
2022-07-19 18:41   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:51     ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-19 22:15       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-21 23:19 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-22 10:44   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-24 13:35     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-24 22:18       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 10:00         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 10:46           ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 11:50             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 17:17               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 22:00                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-30  9:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-02  9:05                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 12:13             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 16:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-29 17:29                 ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2022-08-07 20:40                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:24                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:53                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-09 16:16                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 18:13               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 19:49                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 20:26                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 21:34                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:20                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:34                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:56                         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 21:05                     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:50                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 16:26                         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-25  1:17       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 10:26         ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 17:37           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 18:49             ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:12               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-28  9:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:52               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 22:02                 ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-28 10:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29  9:21                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:25 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:46   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 12:05     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:00       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:47         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:26     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-08-09 17:24       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:59         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:12           ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:55       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:18         ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 21:20           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:53             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 22:24               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli

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