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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: "Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Ferruh Yigit" <ferruh.yigit@amd.com>,
	"Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	"Thomas Monjalon" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC v3] net/af_packet: make stats reset reliable
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 16:19:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F433@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F432@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

> From: Morten Brørup [mailto:mb@smartsharesystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2024 13.37
> 
> > From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2024 11.30
> >
> > On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 09:43:16AM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > > From: Stephen Hemminger [mailto:stephen@networkplumber.org]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2024 22.54
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 8 May 2024 20:48:06 +0100
> > > > Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@amd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The idea of load tearing is crazy talk of integral types. It
> > would
> > > > break so many things.
> > > > > > It is the kind of stupid compiler thing that would send Linus
> on
> > a
> > > > rant and get
> > > > > > the GCC compiler writers in trouble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The DPDK has always favored performance over strict safety
> guard
> > > > rails everywhere.
> > > > > > Switching to making every statistic an atomic operation is not
> > in
> > > > the spirit of
> > > > > > what is required. There is no strict guarantee necessary here.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I kind of agree with Stephen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Mattias, Morten & Stephen, it was informative discussion.
> > But
> > > > for
> > > > > *SW drivers* stats update and reset is not core functionality
> and
> > I
> > > > > think we can be OK to get hit on corner cases, instead of
> > > > > over-engineering or making code more complex.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I forgot the case of 64 bit values on 32 bit platforms!
> > > > Mostly because haven't cared about 32 bit for years...
> > > >
> > > > The Linux kernel uses some wrappers to handle this.
> > > > On 64 bit platforms they become noop.
> > > > On 32 bit platform, they are protected by a seqlock and updates
> are
> > > > wrapped by the sequence count.
> > > >
> > > > If we go this way, then doing similar Noop on 64 bit and atomic or
> > > > seqlock
> > > > on 32 bit should be done, but in common helper.
> > > >
> > > > Looking inside FreeBSD, it looks like that has changed over the
> > years as
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > 	if_inc_counter
> > > > 		counter_u64_add
> > > > 			atomic_add_64
> > > > But the counters are always per-cpu in this case. So although it
> > does
> > > > use
> > > > locked operation, will always be uncontended.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS: Does DPDK still actually support 32 bit on x86? Can it be
> > dropped
> > > > this cycle?
> > >
> > > We cannot drop 32 bit architecture support altogether.
> > >
> > > But, unlike the Linux kernel, DPDK doesn't need to support ancient
> 32
> > bit architectures.
> > > If the few 32 bit architectures supported by DPDK provide non-
> tearing
> > 64 bit loads/stores, we don't need locks (in the fast path) for 64 bit
> > counters.
> > >
> > > In addition to 32 bit x86, DPDK supports ARMv7-A (a 32 bit
> > architecture) and 32 bit ARMv8.
> > > I don't think DPDK support any other 32 bit architectures.
> > >
> > >
> > > As Mattias mentioned, 32 bit x86 can use xmm registers to provide 64
> > bit non-tearing load/store.
> > >
> >
> > Testing this a little in godbolt, I see gcc using xmm registers on 32-
> > bit
> > when updating 64-bit counters, but clang doesn't seem to do so, but
> > instead
> > does 2 stores when writing back the 64 value. (I tried with both
> > volatile
> > and non-volatile 64-bit values, just to see if volatile would
> encourage
> > clang to do a single store).
> >
> > GCC: https://godbolt.org/z/9eqKfT3hz
> > Clang: https://godbolt.org/z/PT5EqKn4c
> 
> Interesting.
> I guess this can be fixed by manually implementing what GCC does.
> 
> I'm more concerned about finding a high-performance (in the fast path)
> 64 bit counter solution for 32 bit ARM.

Reading up on the topic, and continuing Bruce's experiment on Godbolt, it is possible on 32 bit ARMv7-A too, using LDRD/STRD (Load/Store Register Dual) instructions, which load/store 64 bit from memory into two registers at once.

Clang is emits more efficient code without volatile.
GCC requires volatile to use STRD.

Clang: https://godbolt.org/z/WjdTq6EKh
GCC: https://godbolt.org/z/qq9j7d4Ea

Summing it up, it is possible to implement non-tearing 64 bit high-performance (lockless, barrier-free) counters on the 32 bit architectures supported by DPDK.

But the implementation is both architecture and compiler specific.
So it seems a "64 bit counters" library would be handy. (Or a "non-tearing 64 bit integers" library, for support of the signed variant too; but I don't think we need that.)
We can use uint64_t as the underlying type and type cast in the library (where needed by the specific compiler/architecture), or introduce a new rte_ctr64_t type to ensure that accessor functions are always used and the developer doesn't have to worry about tearing on 32 bit architectures.

The most simple variant of such a library only provides load and store functions. The API would look like this:

uint64_t inline
rte_ctr64_get(const rte_ctr64_t *const ctr);

void inline
rte_ctr64_set(rte_ctr64_t *const ctr, const uint64_t value);

And if some CPU offers special instructions for increment or addition, faster (regarding performance) and/or more compact (regarding instruction memory) than a sequence of load-add-store instructions:

void inline
rte_ctr64_inc(rte_ctr64_t *const ctr);

void inline
rte_ctr64_add(rte_ctr64_t *const ctr, const uint64_t value);

<feature creep>
And perhaps atomic variants of all these functions, with explicit and/or relaxed memory ordering, for counters shared by multiple threads.
</feature creep>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-09 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-25 17:46 [RFC] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 11:33 ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-26 13:37   ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:56     ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:42   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 14:38 ` [RFC v2] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:47   ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:11   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-01 16:19     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02  5:51       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 14:22         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 15:59           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 18:20             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 17:37           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 18:26             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 21:26               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 21:46                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07  7:23     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 13:49       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:51         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 16:00           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 16:54             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 18:47               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08  7:48             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:28           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:25         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 19:19       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  6:34         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  7:10           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  7:23             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 21:28 ` [RFC] " Patrick Robb
2024-05-03 15:45 ` [RFC v3] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-03 22:00   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 13:48     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:52       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 17:27         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08  7:19     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08 15:23       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08 19:48         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08 20:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-09  7:43             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09  9:29               ` Bruce Richardson
2024-05-09 11:37                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09 14:19                   ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2024-05-10  4:56                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  9:14                       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 15:27   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 17:40     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-10  5:01 ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 1/3] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 2/3] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 3/3] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10 17:29   ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Morten Brørup
2024-05-10 19:30     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52   ` [RFC v2 0/7] generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 19:36       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 4/7] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 6/7] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 7/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15  9:30       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-15 15:03         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 16:18           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] net/af_xdp: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Generic 64 bit counters for SW PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:41     ` [PATCH v4 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:22       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-16 21:42         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:39           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:29             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:39               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:30       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-17  0:19         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters for SW drivers Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:45       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:30         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:26           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  6:44             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 16:18               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-18 14:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 15:13                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-19 17:10                     ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 22:49                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-20  7:57                         ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:07             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 13:34       ` Loftus, Ciara
2024-05-17 14:54         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Use weak atomic operations for SW PMD counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger

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