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This is as a good a time as any to do it. >=20 > Increasing diversity and inclusion is an overarching goal of many organiz= ations > include my employer(Microsoft), the parent organization of DPDK(LF) > and my values. >=20 > Following values is more important than minor replacement of text in API. I feel like Konstantin is correct here. If we were using these terms for humans or groups of humans, then I would a= gree they should be changed. We need to take into account the context of th= e reference to these words. I agree some words should never be used in any = context, but these terms are very reasonable in the context of DPDK and net= working. If everyone wants to accept the code churn (and it will effect a large numb= er of applications, plus back porting will be more difficult IMO), then we = can do it.=