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From: "Van Haaren, Harry" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>
To: "Xueming(Steven) Li" <xuemingl@nvidia.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	 "Randles, Ronan" <ronan.randles@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 00/12] add packet generator library and example app
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 15:24:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN0PR11MB5712F23220314DB1077D026AD75B9@BN0PR11MB5712.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2513ab6485aebc7c058634fa281085d56fc2ab3.camel@nvidia.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xueming(Steven) Li <xuemingl@nvidia.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 2:45 PM
> To: dev@dpdk.org; Randles, Ronan <ronan.randles@intel.com>
> Cc: Van Haaren, Harry <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/12] add packet generator library and example app
> 
> On Tue, 2021-12-14 at 14:12 +0000, Ronan Randles wrote:
> > This patchset introduces a Gen library for DPDK. This library provides an easy
> > way to generate traffic in order to test software based network components.
> >
> > This library enables the basic functionality required in the traffic generator.
> > This includes: raw data setting, packet Tx and Rx, creation and destruction of a
> >  Gen instance and various types of data parsing.
> > This functionality is implemented in "lib/gen/rte_gen.c". IPv4 parsing
> > functionality is also added in "lib/net/rte_ip.c", this is then used in the gen
> > library.
> >
> > A sample app is included in "examples/generator" which shows the use of the
> gen
> > library in making a traffic generator. This can be used to generate traffic by
> > running the dpdk-generator generator executable. This sample app supports
> > runtime stats reporting (/gen/stats) and line rate limiting
> > (/gen/mpps,<target traffic rate in mpps>) through telemetry.py.
> >
> > As more features are added to the gen library, the sample application will
> > become more powerful through the "/gen/packet" string parameter
> > (currently supports IP and Ether address setting). This will allow every
> > application to generate more complex traffic types in the future without
> > changing API.
> 
> A good start, thanks.
> 
> Testpmd can do txonly, rxonly, forwarding, but no rx+tx only :) I guess
> that's the key of a GEN. testpmd also has "--stats-period" to show
> statistics in non-interactive mode, very close to a GEN, but not
> enough. Testpmd can toggle a lot of settings like offloading, that's an
> advantage. Do you see an chance to make the lib part of testpmd?
> 
> I tried to leverage Scapy syntax into testpmd [1][2]: to set fancy
> template - useful to test flows, or dump packet using different scapy
> detail level. unfotunately I don't have time to finish it. Parsing
> packet from string is boring, any consideration on this?

Hi Steven,

Yes I recall the patchset to extend DPDK with python/scapy itself, and indeed this was my first approach too!
I build a proof-of-concept for enabling a "run-python-script-inside-eth-null-PMD-rx-function" approach.
Although this worked (in a clunky way, using packet.__bytes__() in python script..), the performance was
extremely low. An optimization was to pre-calculate e.g. 1 million packets, and leave them all in memory,
which causes memory waste, and lack of performance due to memory-boundedness in the CPU.

There is a fundamental blocking issue here - the generation/creation of packets is slow. Even updating a
single flow, or single parameter of the packet, could/would require recalculation of checksums... so leads
to the C code needing to know the L2/L3/L4 offsets. Even then, the re-calculation over 1-million packets
puts a lot of memory pressure - the packets cannot be re-used (from mempool lcore cache) if they need
to be "unique" through pre-computation, resulting in cache-trashing.

As a solution, moving to a native/C language based creation of a "base packet" (template) with "modifiers"
seemed a good fit. It allows best-case performance (mempool cache) and lowest compute per-packet.
The "modifiers" are "pay for what you need" approach to flows/updates/etc, allowing user to choose
the right balance of traffic-complexity vs CPU-cost to generate it.

All in all; handling string-parsing in C is not fun - but by paying that price we can gain many other things...

I think that a "gen" engine for TestPMD could be interesting for certain use-cases yes. As your links below,
the "expect" behaviour is a particularly nice way of working for testing! There is an implementation for
net/null PMD to create packets with Gen library, but is not ready for upstream so was not included in V2.

For multi-flow latency testing, I'm not sure if TestPMD is the ideal tool, as it does not prioritize RX/latency
at all costs: e.g lcores perform both RX and TX functionality. The dedicated "example/generator" is a sample
application that provides the basis for a more latency/jitter focused application, however there is much work
to do there to make it a production-ready tool.

Note that at the moment, the status of the Gen work is as follows;
- Upstream discussion: http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2022-January/232965.html
- V2 patch: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/cover/20220121103122.2926856-1-ronan.randles@intel.com/

Regards, -Harry

PS: Side note around Python/Scapy: its an *awesome* tool. I like it a lot, but for DPDK levels of performance,
and in a latency/performance critical use-case, I'm not convinced it is the right tool to use.


> [1]: https://github.com/steevenlee/dpdk/commits/upstream_scapy
> [2]: doc
> https://github.com/steevenlee/dpdk/blob/875b8407f769465837513d29a495af3cc
> 1a29765/doc/guides/howto/scapy.rst
> 
> >
> > Harry van Haaren (6):
> >   gen: add files for initial traffic generation library
> >   gen: add basic Rx and Tx routines and tests
> >   gen: add raw packet data API and tests
> >   gen: add parsing infrastructure and Ether protocol
> >   gen: add gen IP parsing
> >   examples/generator: import code from basicfwd.c
> >
> > Ronan Randles (6):
> >   net: add string to IPv4 parse function
> >   net: add function to pretty print IPv4
> >   examples/generator: enable gen library for traffic gen
> >   examples/generator: telemetry support
> >   examples/generator: link status check added
> >   examples/generator: line rate limiting
> >
> >  app/test/meson.build           |   4 +
> >  app/test/test_gen.c            | 184 +++++++++++
> >  app/test/test_net.c            |  87 ++++++
> >  doc/api/doxy-api-index.md      |   3 +-
> >  doc/api/doxy-api.conf.in       |   1 +
> >  examples/generator/main.c      | 483 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  examples/generator/meson.build |  13 +
> >  examples/meson.build           |   1 +
> >  lib/gen/meson.build            |   6 +
> >  lib/gen/rte_gen.c              | 553 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  lib/gen/rte_gen.h              | 114 +++++++
> >  lib/gen/version.map            |  10 +
> >  lib/meson.build                |   1 +
> >  lib/net/meson.build            |   1 +
> >  lib/net/rte_ip.c               |  58 ++++
> >  lib/net/rte_ip.h               |  38 +++
> >  lib/net/version.map            |   9 +
> >  17 files changed, 1565 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >  create mode 100644 app/test/test_gen.c
> >  create mode 100644 app/test/test_net.c
> >  create mode 100644 examples/generator/main.c
> >  create mode 100644 examples/generator/meson.build
> >  create mode 100644 lib/gen/meson.build
> >  create mode 100644 lib/gen/rte_gen.c
> >  create mode 100644 lib/gen/rte_gen.h
> >  create mode 100644 lib/gen/version.map
> >  create mode 100644 lib/net/rte_ip.c
> >


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-21 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-14 14:12 Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 01/12] net: add string to IPv4 parse function Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 17:31   ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-15  9:27     ` Bruce Richardson
2021-12-15  9:35       ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-15 10:11         ` Bruce Richardson
2022-01-19 14:20   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 02/12] net: add function to pretty print IPv4 Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 16:08   ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-12-14 17:42     ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-14 17:31   ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-15  1:06     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2021-12-15  3:20       ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-12-15  7:23         ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-15 13:06           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-01-19 14:24             ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-01-19 14:41               ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 03/12] gen: add files for initial traffic generation library Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 04/12] gen: add basic Rx and Tx routines and tests Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 05/12] gen: add raw packet data API " Ronan Randles
2021-12-15 12:40   ` Jerin Jacob
2021-12-17 11:40     ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-12-17 16:19       ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-12-20 10:21         ` Van Haaren, Harry
2022-01-19 14:56           ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-01-20 10:21             ` Van Haaren, Harry
2022-01-21 10:45               ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-12-20 13:21       ` Jerin Jacob
2022-01-21 14:20         ` Xueming(Steven) Li
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 06/12] gen: add parsing infrastructure and Ether protocol Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 07/12] gen: add gen IP parsing Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 08/12] examples/generator: import code from basicfwd.c Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 09/12] examples/generator: enable gen library for traffic gen Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 10/12] examples/generator: telemetry support Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 11/12] examples/generator: link status check added Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 14:12 ` [PATCH 12/12] examples/generator: line rate limiting Ronan Randles
2021-12-14 16:10   ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-12-14 14:57 ` [PATCH 00/12] add packet generator library and example app Bruce Richardson
2021-12-14 15:59   ` Randles, Ronan
2022-01-12 16:18   ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-15 12:31 ` Jerin Jacob
2021-12-15 14:07   ` Bruce Richardson
2022-01-21 10:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] " Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 01/15] net: add string to IPv4 parse function Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 02/15] net: add function to pretty print IPv4 Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 16:20     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 03/15] gen: add files for initial traffic generation library Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 04/15] gen: add basic Rx and Tx routines and tests Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 05/15] gen: add raw packet data API " Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 06/15] gen: add parsing infrastructure and Ether protocol Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 07/15] gen: add gen IP parsing Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 08/15] examples/generator: import code from basicfwd.c Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 09/15] examples/generator: enable gen library for traffic gen Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 10/15] examples/generator: telemetry support Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 11/15] examples/generator: link status check added Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 12/15] examples/generator: line rate limiting Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 13/15] gen: add UDP support Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 14/15] net/vxlan: instance flag endianness refactored Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 10:31   ` [PATCH v2 15/15] gen: add VXLAN support Ronan Randles
2022-01-21 14:44 ` [PATCH 00/12] add packet generator library and example app Xueming(Steven) Li
2022-01-21 15:24   ` Van Haaren, Harry [this message]
2022-01-24 10:48     ` Ananyev, Konstantin

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