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From: Rongwei Liu <rongweil@nvidia.com>
To: Ivan Malov <ivan.malov@oktetlabs.ru>
Cc: Matan Azrad <matan@nvidia.com>,
	Slava Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>,
	 Ori Kam <orika@nvidia.com>,
	"NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon (EXTERNAL)" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	Aman Singh <aman.deep.singh@intel.com>,
	Yuying Zhang <yuying.zhang@intel.com>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Raslan Darawsheh <rasland@nvidia.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v1] ethdev: add direction info when creating the transfer table
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:46:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN9PR12MB52738378332B7AA29147A376AB479@BN9PR12MB5273.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1be72d6-be5b-88b2-f15-16fd2c6d0c0@oktetlabs.ru>

Hi 

BR
Rongwei

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Malov <ivan.malov@oktetlabs.ru>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 00:57
> To: Rongwei Liu <rongweil@nvidia.com>
> Cc: Matan Azrad <matan@nvidia.com>; Slava Ovsiienko
> <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>; Ori Kam <orika@nvidia.com>; NBU-Contact-
> Thomas Monjalon (EXTERNAL) <thomas@monjalon.net>; Aman Singh
> <aman.deep.singh@intel.com>; Yuying Zhang <yuying.zhang@intel.com>;
> Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>; dev@dpdk.org; Raslan
> Darawsheh <rasland@nvidia.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] ethdev: add direction info when creating the transfer
> table
> 
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022, Rongwei Liu wrote:
> 
> > The transfer domain rule is able to match traffic wire/vf origin and
> > it means two directions' underlayer resource.
> 
> The point of fact is that matching traffic coming from some entity like wire /
> VF has been long generalised in the form of representors. So, a flow rule with
> attribute "transfer" is able to match traffic coming from either a
> REPRESENTED_PORT or from a PORT_REPRESENTOR (please find these items).
> 
> >
> > In customer deployments, they usually match only one direction traffic
> > in single flow table: either from wire or from vf.
> 
> Which customer deployments? Could you please provide detailed examples?
> 
> > 

We saw a lot of customers' deployment like:
1. Match overlay traffic from wire and do decap, then send to specific vport.
2. Match specific 5-tuples and do encap, then send to wire.
The matching criteria has obvious direction preference.  

> > Introduce one new member transfer_mode into rte_flow_attr to indicate
> > the flow table direction property: from wire, from vf or
> > bi-direction(default).
> 
> AFAIK, 'rte_flow_attr' serves both traditional flow rule insertion and
> asynchronous (table) approach. The patch adds the attributes to generic
> 'rte_flow_attr' but, for some reason, ignores non-table rules.
> 
> > 
Sync API uses one rule to contain everything. It' hard for PMD to determine if this rule has direction preference or not.
Image a situation, just for an example:
1. Vport 1 VxLAN do decap send to vport 2.     1 million scale
2. Vport 0 (wire) VxLAN do decap send to vport 3.   1 hundred scale.
1 and 2 share the same matching conditions (eth / ipv4 / udp / vxlan /...), so sync API consider them share matching determination logic. 
It means "2" have 1M scale capability too. Obviously, it wastes a lot of resources.

In async API, there is pattern_template introduced. We can mark "1" to use pattern_tempate id 1 and "2" to use pattern_template 2.
They will be separated from each other, don't share anymore.

> For example, the diff below adds the attributes to "table" commands in
> testpmd but does not add them to regular (non-table) commands like "flow
> create". Why?
> 
> >

 "table" command limits pattern_template to single direction or bidirection per user specified attribute.
 "rule" command must tight with one "table_id", so the rule will inherit the "table" direction property, no need to specify again.

> > It helps to save underlayer memory also on insertion rate.
> 
> Which memory? Host memory? NIC memory? Term "underlayer" is vague.
> I suggest that the commit message be revised to first explain how such
> memory is spent currently, then explain why this is not optimal and, finally,
> which way the patch is supposed to improve that. I.e. be more specific.
> 
> > 

For large scalable rules, HW (depends on implementation) always needs memory to hold the rules' patterns and actions, either from NIC or from host.
The memory footprint highly depends on "user rules' complexity", also diff between NICs.
~50% memory saving is expected if one-direction is cut.

> > By default, the transfer domain is bi-direction, and no behavior changes.
> >
> > 1. Match wire origin only
> >  flow template_table 0 create group 0 priority 0 transfer wire_orig...
> > 2. Match vf origin only
> >  flow template_table 0 create group 0 priority 0 transfer vf_orig...
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Rongwei Liu <rongweil at nvidia.com>
> > ---
> > app/test-pmd/cmdline_flow.c                 | 26 +++++++++++++++++++++
> > doc/guides/testpmd_app_ug/testpmd_funcs.rst |  3 ++-
> > lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h                       |  9 ++++++-
> > 3 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/app/test-pmd/cmdline_flow.c b/app/test-pmd/cmdline_flow.c
> > index 7f50028eb7..b25b595e82 100644
> > --- a/app/test-pmd/cmdline_flow.c
> > +++ b/app/test-pmd/cmdline_flow.c
> > @@ -177,6 +177,8 @@ enum index {
> >       TABLE_INGRESS,
> >       TABLE_EGRESS,
> >       TABLE_TRANSFER,
> > +     TABLE_TRANSFER_WIRE_ORIG,
> > +     TABLE_TRANSFER_VF_ORIG,
> >       TABLE_RULES_NUMBER,
> >       TABLE_PATTERN_TEMPLATE,
> >       TABLE_ACTIONS_TEMPLATE,
> > @@ -1141,6 +1143,8 @@ static const enum index next_table_attr[] = {
> >       TABLE_INGRESS,
> >       TABLE_EGRESS,
> >       TABLE_TRANSFER,
> > +     TABLE_TRANSFER_WIRE_ORIG,
> > +     TABLE_TRANSFER_VF_ORIG,
> >       TABLE_RULES_NUMBER,
> >       TABLE_PATTERN_TEMPLATE,
> >       TABLE_ACTIONS_TEMPLATE,
> > @@ -2881,6 +2885,18 @@ static const struct token token_list[] = {
> >               .next = NEXT(next_table_attr),
> >               .call = parse_table,
> >       },
> > +     [TABLE_TRANSFER_WIRE_ORIG] = {
> > +             .name = "wire_orig",
> > +             .help = "affect rule direction to transfer",
> 
> This does not explain the "wire" aspect. It's too broad.
> 
> > +             .next = NEXT(next_table_attr),
> > +             .call = parse_table,
> > +     },
> > +     [TABLE_TRANSFER_VF_ORIG] = {
> > +             .name = "vf_orig",
> > +             .help = "affect rule direction to transfer",
> 
> This explanation simply duplicates such of the "wire_orig".
> It does not explain the "vf" part. Should be more specific.
> 
> > +             .next = NEXT(next_table_attr),
> > +             .call = parse_table,
> > +     },
> >       [TABLE_RULES_NUMBER] = {
> >               .name = "rules_number",
> >               .help = "number of rules in table", @@ -8894,6 +8910,16
> > @@ parse_table(struct context *ctx, const struct token *token,
> >       case TABLE_TRANSFER:
> >               out->args.table.attr.flow_attr.transfer = 1;
> >               return len;
> > +     case TABLE_TRANSFER_WIRE_ORIG:
> > +             if (!out->args.table.attr.flow_attr.transfer)
> > +                     return -1;
> > +             out->args.table.attr.flow_attr.transfer_mode = 1;
> > +             return len;
> > +     case TABLE_TRANSFER_VF_ORIG:
> > +             if (!out->args.table.attr.flow_attr.transfer)
> > +                     return -1;
> > +             out->args.table.attr.flow_attr.transfer_mode = 2;
> > +             return len;
> >       default:
> >               return -1;
> >       }
> > diff --git a/doc/guides/testpmd_app_ug/testpmd_funcs.rst
> > b/doc/guides/testpmd_app_ug/testpmd_funcs.rst
> > index 330e34427d..603b7988dd 100644
> > --- a/doc/guides/testpmd_app_ug/testpmd_funcs.rst
> > +++ b/doc/guides/testpmd_app_ug/testpmd_funcs.rst
> > @@ -3332,7 +3332,8 @@ It is bound to
> ``rte_flow_template_table_create()``::
> >
> >   flow template_table {port_id} create
> >       [table_id {id}] [group {group_id}]
> > -       [priority {level}] [ingress] [egress] [transfer]
> > +       [priority {level}] [ingress] [egress]
> > +       [transfer [vf_orig] [wire_orig]]
> 
> Is it correct? Shouldn't it rather be
> [transfer] [vf_orig] [wire_orig]
> ?
> 
> >       rules_number {number}
> >       pattern_template {pattern_template_id}
> >       actions_template {actions_template_id} diff --git
> > a/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h b/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h index
> > a79f1e7ef0..512b08d817 100644
> > --- a/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h
> > +++ b/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h
> > @@ -130,7 +130,14 @@ struct rte_flow_attr {
> >        * through a suitable port. @see rte_flow_pick_transfer_proxy().
> >        */
> >       uint32_t transfer:1;
> > -     uint32_t reserved:29; /**< Reserved, must be zero. */
> > +     /**
> > +      * 0 means bidirection,
> > +      * 0x1 origin uplink,
> 
> What does "uplink" mean? It's too vague. Hardly a good term.
> 
> > +      * 0x2 origin vport,
> 
> What does "origin vport" mean? Hardly a good term as well.
> 
> > +      * N/A both set.
> 
> What's this?
> 
> > +      */
> > +     uint32_t transfer_mode:2;
> > +     uint32_t reserved:27; /**< Reserved, must be zero. */
> > };
> >
> > /**
> > --
> > 2.27.0
> >
> 
> Since the attributes are added to generic 'struct rte_flow_attr', non-table
> (synchronous) flow rules are supposed to support them, too. If that is indeed
> the case, then I'm afraid such proposal does not agree with the existing items
> PORT_REPRESENTOR and REPRESENTED_PORT. They do exactly the same
> thing, but they are designed to be way more generic. Why not use them?
> 
> Ivan

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-13 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-07  2:40 Rongwei Liu
2022-09-11  8:22 ` Ori Kam
2022-09-12 16:57 ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-13 13:46   ` Rongwei Liu [this message]
2022-09-13 14:33     ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-14  5:16       ` Rongwei Liu
2022-09-14  7:32         ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-14 10:17           ` Rongwei Liu
2022-09-14 15:18             ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-14 21:02               ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-09-15  0:58               ` Rongwei Liu
2022-09-15  7:47                 ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-15  8:18                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-09-15  9:42                     ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-15  8:48                   ` Rongwei Liu
2022-09-15 10:59                     ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-15 11:16                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-09-20  9:41                         ` Ori Kam
2022-09-20 12:45                           ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-20 13:59                             ` Ori Kam
2022-09-20 15:28                               ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-21  7:34                                 ` Ori Kam
2022-09-21  8:39                                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-09-21  9:04                                   ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-21  9:40                                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-09-21 10:04                                       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-09-21 12:41                                         ` Ori Kam
2022-09-21 12:51                                           ` Morten Brørup
2022-09-22  7:39                                             ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-09-22 10:06                                               ` Ori Kam
2022-09-22 10:31                                                 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-09-22 13:00                                                   ` Ori Kam
2022-09-23  7:25                                                     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-09-23 16:11                                                       ` Ori Kam
2022-09-22 12:43                                                 ` Ivan Malov
2022-09-22 14:46                                                   ` Ori Kam
2022-09-28  9:24       ` [PATCH v3] ethdev: add hint when creating async " Rongwei Liu
2022-10-04  8:31         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-04 10:42           ` [PATCH v4] ethdev: add special flags " Rongwei Liu
2022-11-04 10:44           ` Rongwei Liu
2022-11-08 11:39             ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-08 11:47               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-08 13:29                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-08 14:38                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-08 15:25                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-09  8:53                       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-09  9:03                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-09  9:36                           ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-09 10:50                             ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-06 10:02           ` [PATCH v3] ethdev: add hint " Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-07  1:58             ` Rongwei Liu
2022-11-08  9:19             ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-08  9:35               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-08 11:18                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-11-08 11:48                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-11-14  8:47                     ` [PATCH v6] ethdev: add special flags " Rongwei Liu
2022-11-14 11:59                     ` [PATCH v7] " Rongwei Liu
2023-01-17 15:13                       ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-01-17 17:01                         ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-01-18  2:50                           ` Rongwei Liu
2023-01-18  7:30                         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-01-18  7:28                       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-01-18 16:18                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 10:17                           ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-01 10:58                             ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 11:10                               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-01 11:18                                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 11:38                                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-01 13:48                                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-02  9:21                                       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-02 11:29                                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-02 12:24                                           ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-01 11:22                                 ` Ori Kam
2023-02-01 11:29                                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-02-01 11:12                               ` Ori Kam
2023-02-01 11:20                                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-01-30  0:00                       ` Ivan Malov
2023-01-30  2:34                         ` Rongwei Liu
2023-01-30  7:40                           ` Ivan Malov
2023-01-30 14:49                             ` Rongwei Liu
2023-01-30 23:00                               ` Ivan Malov
2023-01-31  3:06                                 ` Rongwei Liu
2023-01-31  5:30                                   ` Ivan Malov
2023-01-31  6:14                                     ` Rongwei Liu
2023-02-01 10:12                                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 11:50                                       ` Ivan Malov
2023-02-01 13:37                                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 14:04                                           ` Ivan Malov
2023-02-01 14:23                                             ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-01 14:29                                             ` Ori Kam
2023-02-02 11:19                       ` [PATCH v8] ethdev: add optimization hints in flow template table Rongwei Liu
2023-02-02 11:33                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-02-08 23:19                           ` Ferruh Yigit
2022-11-09  8:11           ` [PATCH v5] ethdev: add special flags when creating async transfer table Rongwei Liu
2022-11-09  8:13           ` Rongwei Liu
2022-11-09  8:31             ` Thomas Monjalon

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