[dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Hyunseok]

Hi,

I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).

The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5
to 2.8 Gbps.

This is in contrast with ixgbe pmd with which I could easily achieve 10
gbps forwarding rate.

With the original vmxnet3 driver (non pmd), I could also achieve close to
10 gpbs with multiple iperf.   But I can never achieve that rate with
vmxnet3 pmd...

So basically vmxnet3 pmd doesn't seem that fast.  Is this a known issue?

Thanks,
-Hyunseok

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Patel, Rashmin N]

Hi Hyunseok,

We should not compare Vmxnet3-PMD with ixgbe-PMD performance as Vmxnet3 device is a para-virtual device and it's not similar to directly assigned device to a VM either. 
There is VMEXIT/VMEXIT occurrence at burst-size boundary and that overhead can’t be eliminated unless the design of Vmxnet3 is updated in future. In addition to that the packets is being touched in ESXi hypervisor vSwitch layer between physical NIC and a virtual machine, which introduces extra overhead, which you won't have in case of using Niantic being used natively or passed through Vt-d to a virtual machine.

Feature wise, we can compare it to Virtio-PMD solution, but again there is a little different in device handling and backend driver support compared to Vmxnet3 device so performance comparison won’t to apple to apple.

Thanks,
Rashmin

-----Original Message-----
From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Hyunseok
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:22 PM
To: dev@dpdk.org
Subject: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

Hi,

I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).

The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5 to 2.8 Gbps.

This is in contrast with ixgbe pmd with which I could easily achieve 10 gbps forwarding rate.

With the original vmxnet3 driver (non pmd), I could also achieve close to
10 gpbs with multiple iperf.   But I can never achieve that rate with
vmxnet3 pmd...

So basically vmxnet3 pmd doesn't seem that fast.  Is this a known issue?

Thanks,
-Hyunseok

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Hyunseok]

Thanks for your response.

I am actually more interested in stock (non-dpdk) vmxnet3 driver vs.
vmxnet3 pmd driver comparison.

When I forward pkts from stock vmxnet3 driver, I am able to achieve much
higher throughput than with vmxnet3 pmd.  To make comparison fair, I did
not leverage gro/gso.

Does any of the overheads you mentioned play a role in this comparison?
Here I am comparing different drivers for the same vmxnet3 interface...

Regards,
Hyunseok
On Jul 7, 2014 7:03 PM, "Patel, Rashmin N" <rashmin.n.patel@intel.com>
wrote:

> Hi Hyunseok,
>
> We should not compare Vmxnet3-PMD with ixgbe-PMD performance as Vmxnet3
> device is a para-virtual device and it's not similar to directly assigned
> device to a VM either.
> There is VMEXIT/VMEXIT occurrence at burst-size boundary and that overhead
> can’t be eliminated unless the design of Vmxnet3 is updated in future. In
> addition to that the packets is being touched in ESXi hypervisor vSwitch
> layer between physical NIC and a virtual machine, which introduces extra
> overhead, which you won't have in case of using Niantic being used natively
> or passed through Vt-d to a virtual machine.
>
> Feature wise, we can compare it to Virtio-PMD solution, but again there is
> a little different in device handling and backend driver support compared
> to Vmxnet3 device so performance comparison won’t to apple to apple.
>
> Thanks,
> Rashmin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Hyunseok
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:22 PM
> To: dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd
>
> Hi,
>
> I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).
>
> The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5
> to 2.8 Gbps.
>
> This is in contrast with ixgbe pmd with which I could easily achieve 10
> gbps forwarding rate.
>
> With the original vmxnet3 driver (non pmd), I could also achieve close to
> 10 gpbs with multiple iperf.   But I can never achieve that rate with
> vmxnet3 pmd...
>
> So basically vmxnet3 pmd doesn't seem that fast.  Is this a known issue?
>
> Thanks,
> -Hyunseok
>

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Patel, Rashmin N]

According to my experiments at moment, the bottleneck lies in backend in hypervisor for para-virtual devices including Vmxnet3 and hence different front-end drivers (stock Vmxnet3 driver or Vmxnet3-PMD) would performance equally well, I don’t have solid numbers to show at moment though. Will update you on that.

For now, the main advantage of having DPDK version of Vmxnet3 driver is having scalability across multiple hypervisors, and application portability keeping in mind that backend can be optimized and higher throughput can be achieved at later stage.

Thanks,
Rashmin

From: hyunseok.chang@gmail.com [mailto:hyunseok.chang@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Hyunseok
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:49 PM
To: Patel, Rashmin N; dev@dpdk.org
Subject: RE: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd


Thanks for your response.

I am actually more interested in stock (non-dpdk) vmxnet3 driver vs. vmxnet3 pmd driver comparison.

When I forward pkts from stock vmxnet3 driver, I am able to achieve much higher throughput than with vmxnet3 pmd.  To make comparison fair, I did not leverage gro/gso.

Does any of the overheads you mentioned play a role in this comparison?  Here I am comparing different drivers for the same vmxnet3 interface...

Regards,
Hyunseok
On Jul 7, 2014 7:03 PM, "Patel, Rashmin N" <rashmin.n.patel@intel.com<mailto:rashmin.n.patel@intel.com>> wrote:
Hi Hyunseok,

We should not compare Vmxnet3-PMD with ixgbe-PMD performance as Vmxnet3 device is a para-virtual device and it's not similar to directly assigned device to a VM either.
There is VMEXIT/VMEXIT occurrence at burst-size boundary and that overhead can’t be eliminated unless the design of Vmxnet3 is updated in future. In addition to that the packets is being touched in ESXi hypervisor vSwitch layer between physical NIC and a virtual machine, which introduces extra overhead, which you won't have in case of using Niantic being used natively or passed through Vt-d to a virtual machine.

Feature wise, we can compare it to Virtio-PMD solution, but again there is a little different in device handling and backend driver support compared to Vmxnet3 device so performance comparison won’t to apple to apple.

Thanks,
Rashmin

-----Original Message-----
From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org<mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org>] On Behalf Of Hyunseok
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:22 PM
To: dev@dpdk.org<mailto:dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

Hi,

I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).

The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5 to 2.8 Gbps.

This is in contrast with ixgbe pmd with which I could easily achieve 10 gbps forwarding rate.

With the original vmxnet3 driver (non pmd), I could also achieve close to
10 gpbs with multiple iperf.   But I can never achieve that rate with
vmxnet3 pmd...

So basically vmxnet3 pmd doesn't seem that fast.  Is this a known issue?

Thanks,
-Hyunseok

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Thomas Monjalon]

Hi,

2014-07-07 18:22, Hyunseok:
> I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).

Have you tested vmxnet3-usermap (http://dpdk.org/doc/vmxnet3-usermap)?

> The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5
> to 2.8 Gbps.

It could be interesting to know your exact testing procedure with numbers for 
vmxnet3-usermap.

Thanks
-- 
Thomas

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Hyunseok]

Thomas,

The last time I tried vmxnet3-usermap a couple of weeks ago, it did not
compile against the latest kernel (3.11).  Is it still the case?  Or do you
have the latest version which is compatible with newer kernels?

Also, do you have any benchmark numbers with vmxnet3-usermap in any chance?

Regards,
-Hyunseok




On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2014-07-07 18:22, Hyunseok:
> > I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).
>
> Have you tested vmxnet3-usermap (http://dpdk.org/doc/vmxnet3-usermap)?
>
> > The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5
> > to 2.8 Gbps.
>
> It could be interesting to know your exact testing procedure with numbers
> for
> vmxnet3-usermap.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Thomas
>

Re: [dpdk-dev] Performance issue with vmxnet3 pmd

[Alex Markuze]

HI Guys, I will continue this thread.

On ubuntu 14.4 (Kernel 3.13) with DPDK 1.7 vmxnet3-usermap 1.2 doesn't compile.
>From the git it seems to have been updated 3 months ago.
Is this project going to be killed? And should I look for different
alternatives.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Hyunseok <hyunseok@ieee.org> wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> The last time I tried vmxnet3-usermap a couple of weeks ago, it did not
> compile against the latest kernel (3.11).  Is it still the case?  Or do you
> have the latest version which is compatible with newer kernels?
>
> Also, do you have any benchmark numbers with vmxnet3-usermap in any chance?
>
> Regards,
> -Hyunseok
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2014-07-07 18:22, Hyunseok:
>> > I was testing l2-fwd with vmxnet3 pmd (included in dpdk).
>>
>> Have you tested vmxnet3-usermap (http://dpdk.org/doc/vmxnet3-usermap)?
>>
>> > The maximum forwarding rate I got from vmxnet3 pmd with l2fwd is only 2.5
>> > to 2.8 Gbps.
>>
>> It could be interesting to know your exact testing procedure with numbers
>> for
>> vmxnet3-usermap.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Thomas
>>