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From: David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>, dev <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>,
	 Timothy Redaelli <tredaelli@redhat.com>,
	Ilya Maximets <i.maximets@ovn.org>,
	 Jim Harris <james.r.harris@intel.com>,
	mohammed@hawari.fr
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] build: select optional libraries
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:27:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJFAV8wVPuH+S129L3tL3HPaR=+ZidLE6GKFR1g5BBY+Wih_AQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YZTdsmy8MBqV6X+B@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:47 AM Bruce Richardson
<bruce.richardson@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 06:25:28PM +0100, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> > 10/11/2021 18:34, Bruce Richardson:
> > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:48:14PM +0100, David Marchand wrote:
> > > > There is currently no way to know which libraries are optional.
> > > > Introduce a enable_libs option (close to what we have for drivers) so
> > > > that packagers or projects consuming DPDK can more easily select the
> > > > optional libraries that matter to them and disable other optional
> > > > libraries.
> > > >
> > > > Note: the enabled_libs variable is renamed for sake of consistency.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > This is the only patch of this set I would have some concerns about. I'm
> > > just not sure that it makes sense to have this option for libraries
> > > compared to drivers.
> > >
> > > Specifically:
> > > * We have over 200 drivers in DPDK (rough count using find), of which 2 are
> > >   mandatory, and therefore specifying just 1 or 2 that you want can make
> > >   sense.
> > > * On the other hand, we have 53 libraries, of which only 7 or so (after
> > >   this patchset) are optional. This means that use of the term
> > >   "enable_libs" is misleading - at least to me - in that it's only a very
> > >   small proportion of the libs which would be affected by that flag
> > >   (compared to 99% of the drivers)
> >
> > The options are described like this:
> >
> > option('disable_libs', type: 'string', value: '', description:
> >        'Comma-separated list of libraries to explicitly disable. [NOTE: not all libs can be disabled]')
> > +option('enable_libs', type: 'string', value: '', description:
> > +       'Comma-separated list of libraries to explicitly enable.')
> >
> > I feel we should mention it is enabling optional libraries,
> > and the default is to enable all.
> >
> > > * Also, while the number of mandatory drivers is unlikely to change much
> > >   (since there are only 2), it should be fairly safe to do builds using
> > >   "--enable-drivers". On the other hand, the list of libraries affected by
> > >   "--enable-libs" is likely to change, so short of each user naming each
> > >   and every lib they use (and each library those depend on), to the list,
> > >   it's quite possible that any --enable-libs use could lead to a broken
> > >   build in future if a library changes from mandatory to optional.
> >
> > In order to be safe, the user can list all required libs,
> > including non-optional ones.
> >
>
> Yes, they can, but that is the part I'm concerned about. It should not be
> expected for users to know what all libraries should be needed and
> dependencies between them. The list of mandatory libraries is quite long.
>
> > > Overall, I'm just concerned that this flag is premature, and would prefer
> > > to keep it just to the disable option until we are confident that out
> > > "optional library" list is relatively settled.
> >
> > I see it the opposite way:
> > Someone who does not wish to deliver extra libs could use this option
> > to list the required libs, so not-required libs will disappear from
> > the build once they are declared optional in future releases.
> >
>
> Yes, though as-above, I'm concerned about the difficulty of building up
> such a list. However, if this option is only for "expert" and
> distro-packaging use, then I suppose it's reasonable. Perhaps we should add
> a warning to the doc line too, noting that it's only recommended for
> advanced users.
>

Ok, we still need some discussion.
I'll just respin for Thomas to merge patches that are ready.


-- 
David Marchand


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-17 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-10 16:48 [PATCH 0/5] Extend optional libraries list David Marchand
2021-11-10 16:48 ` [PATCH 1/5] ci: test build with minimum configuration David Marchand
2021-11-16 17:06   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-16 20:39     ` David Marchand
2021-11-16 21:47       ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-10 16:48 ` [PATCH 2/5] build: make GRO/GSO optional David Marchand
2021-11-16 17:11   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-10 16:48 ` [PATCH 3/5] build: make metrics libraries optional David Marchand
2021-11-16 17:12   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-10 16:48 ` [PATCH 4/5] build: make pdump optional David Marchand
2021-11-16 17:14   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-10 16:48 ` [PATCH 5/5] build: select optional libraries David Marchand
2021-11-10 17:34   ` Bruce Richardson
2021-11-16 17:25     ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-17 10:47       ` Bruce Richardson
2021-11-17 11:27         ` David Marchand [this message]
2022-01-07 16:13           ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-07 16:47             ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-11-10 17:34 ` [PATCH 0/5] Extend optional libraries list Bruce Richardson
2021-11-17 11:28 ` [PATCH v2 " David Marchand
2021-11-17 11:28   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] ci: test minimum configuration David Marchand
2021-11-17 11:50     ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-11-17 13:38     ` Aaron Conole
2021-11-17 11:28   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] build: make GRO/GSO optional David Marchand
2021-11-17 11:28   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] build: make metrics libraries optional David Marchand
2021-11-17 11:28   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] build: make pdump optional David Marchand
2021-11-17 11:28   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] build: select optional libraries David Marchand
2023-06-16  7:14     ` [PATCH v3] " David Marchand
2023-06-16  9:42       ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-19  8:00         ` David Marchand
2023-06-19 14:11       ` David Marchand
2023-06-19 14:26         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-20  8:31           ` David Marchand
2023-06-20  8:35             ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-20  8:38               ` David Marchand
2023-06-20  8:44                 ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-20  8:48                   ` David Marchand
2023-06-20  9:03                     ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-20 14:33                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-06-20 14:40                         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-20 15:01                         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-21  9:54                           ` David Marchand
2023-06-21 10:49                             ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-21 11:35                               ` Morten Brørup
2023-06-22  9:27                             ` Juraj Linkeš
2023-06-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Select " David Marchand
2023-06-21 17:00       ` [PATCH v4 1/4] kni: move IOVA build check David Marchand
2023-06-22  8:37         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-21 17:00       ` [PATCH v4 2/4] build: rename enabled libraries list David Marchand
2023-06-22  8:38         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-21 17:00       ` [PATCH v4 3/4] build: select deprecated libraries David Marchand
2023-06-22  8:43         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-22  8:50           ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-23  9:35           ` David Marchand
2023-06-23 11:04             ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-23 11:15               ` Morten Brørup
2023-06-23 11:19                 ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-23 11:32                   ` Morten Brørup
2023-06-28 12:10                     ` David Marchand
2023-06-21 17:00       ` [PATCH v4 4/4] build: select optional libraries David Marchand
2023-06-22  8:49         ` Bruce Richardson
2023-06-22  9:09       ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Select " Bruce Richardson
2023-06-22 16:41         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-06-28 13:20     ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " David Marchand
2023-06-28 13:20       ` [PATCH v5 1/2] build: select deprecated libraries David Marchand
2023-06-29 12:44         ` Aaron Conole
2023-06-28 13:20       ` [PATCH v5 2/2] build: select optional libraries David Marchand
2023-06-28 14:48       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] Select " Morten Brørup
2023-07-17 12:54         ` Bruce Richardson
2021-11-17 11:52   ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Extend optional libraries list Thomas Monjalon

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