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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: "Van Haaren, Harry" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>,
	mattias.ronnblom <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"Aman Kumar" <aman.kumar@vvdntech.in>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"viacheslavo@nvidia.com" <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>,
	"Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	"Song, Keesang" <Keesang.Song@amd.com>,
	"jerinjacobk@gmail.com" <jerinjacobk@gmail.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com" <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	David Christensen <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"david.marchand@redhat.com" <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	"stephen@networkplumber.org" <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] lib/eal: add temporal store memcpy support for AMD platform
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:22:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB44910A232E57CC258B74947C9A859@DM6PR11MB4491.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR11MB571262E7B38B5576363DCDD8D7859@BN0PR11MB5712.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>


 
> 
> Hi Mattias,
> 
> > > 6) What is the use-case for this? When would a user *want* to use this instead
> > of rte_memcpy()?
> > > If the data being loaded is relevant to datapath/packets, presumably other
> > packets might require the
> > > loaded data, so temporal (normal) loads should be used to cache the source
> > data?
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if your first question is rhetorical or not, but a memcpy()
> > in a NT variant is certainly useful. One use case for a memcpy() with
> > temporal loads and non-temporal stores is if you need to archive packet
> > payload for (distant, potential) future use, and want to avoid causing
> > unnecessary LLC evictions while doing so.
> 
> Yes I agree that there are certainly benefits in using cache-locality hints.
> There is an open question around if the src or dst or both are non-temporal.
> 
> In the implementation of this patch, the NT/T type of store is reversed from your use-case:
> 1) Loads are NT (so loaded data is not cached for future packets)
> 2) Stores are T (so copied/dst data is now resident in L1/L2)
> 
> In theory there might even be valid uses for this type of memcpy where loaded
> data is not needed again soon and stored data is referenced again soon,
> although I cannot think of any here while typing this mail..
> 
> I think some use-case examples, and clear documentation on when/how to choose
> between rte_memcpy() or any (potential future) rte_memcpy_nt() variants is required
> to progress this patch.
> 
> Assuming a strong use-case exists, and it can be clearly indicators to users of DPDK APIs which
> rte_memcpy() to use, we can look at technical details around enabling the implementation.
> 

+1 here.
Function behaviour and restrictions (src parameter needs to be 16/32 B aligned, etc.),
along with expected usage scenarios have to be documented properly.
Again, as Harry pointed out, I don't see any AMD specific instructions in this function,
so presumably such function can go into __AVX2__ code block and no new defines will
be required. 

 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-27 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-23  8:44 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] lib/eal: add amd epyc2 memcpy routine to eal Aman Kumar
2021-08-23  8:44 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] net/mlx5: optimize mprq memcpy for AMD EPYC2 platforms Aman Kumar
2021-10-13 16:53   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-19 10:52     ` Aman Kumar
2021-08-23 15:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] lib/eal: add amd epyc2 memcpy routine to eal Jerin Jacob
2021-08-30  9:39   ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-19 10:47 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 " Aman Kumar
2021-10-19 10:47   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] net/mlx5: optimize mprq memcpy for AMD EPYC2 plaform Aman Kumar
2021-10-19 12:31   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] lib/eal: add amd epyc2 memcpy routine to eal Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-19 15:35     ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-10-21 17:10     ` Song, Keesang
2021-10-21 17:40       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2021-10-21 18:12         ` Song, Keesang
2021-10-21 18:41           ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-21 19:03             ` Song, Keesang
2021-10-21 19:50               ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-21 20:14   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-22  8:45     ` Bruce Richardson
2021-10-26 15:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] config/x86: add support for AMD platform Aman Kumar
2021-10-26 15:56     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] doc/guides: add dpdk build instruction for AMD platforms Aman Kumar
2021-10-26 16:07       ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-27  6:30         ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-26 15:56     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] lib/eal: add temporal store memcpy support on AMD platform Aman Kumar
2021-10-26 16:14       ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-27  6:34         ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-27  7:59           ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-26 21:10       ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-10-27  6:43         ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-26 16:01     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] config/x86: add support for " Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-27  6:26       ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-27  7:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/2] " Aman Kumar
2021-10-27  7:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] lib/eal: add temporal store memcpy " Aman Kumar
2021-10-27  8:13         ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-27 11:03           ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-10-27 11:41             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2021-10-27 12:15               ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-10-27 12:22                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2021-10-27 13:34                   ` Aman Kumar
2021-10-27 14:10                     ` Van Haaren, Harry
2021-10-27 14:31                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-10-29 16:01                         ` Song, Keesang
2021-10-27 14:26                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2021-10-27 11:33         ` Mattias Rönnblom

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