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From: "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"Gaëtan Rivet" <grive@u256.net>, "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC] replace master/slave with primary/secondary
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:23:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E768AD54-721A-48D1-AA1A-429229614EC9@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200605104510.150496d0@hermes.lan>



> On Jun 5, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:10:05 +0000
> "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd propose instead leader lcore - there is this idea that the leader
>>>>> is still a member of the team and will participate in the work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Leader / worker?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I personally doubt such changes are needed at all.
>>>> Code churn will be massive for both DPDK itself and related user projects.
>>>> With no real gain in return, from my perspective.
>>>> Konstantin
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your concern is valid but the issue does need to be addressed.
>>> If now when? This is as a good a time as any to do it.
>>> 
>>> Increasing diversity and inclusion is an overarching goal of many organizations
>>> include my employer(Microsoft), the parent organization of DPDK(LF)
>>> and my values.
>>> 
>>> Following values is more important than minor replacement of text in API.  
>> 
>> I feel like Konstantin is correct here.
>> 
>> If we were using these terms for humans or groups of humans, then I would agree they should be changed. We need to take into account the context of the reference to these words. I agree some words should never be used in any context, but these terms are very reasonable in the context of DPDK and networking.
> 
> Have to disagree, the words matter. This has been discussed many times.
> Please look at the footnotes from the Gnome post
> 
> 
> [0] - <https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/Language/NonSexist/vuw.non-sexist-language-guidelines.txt>, <https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok/status/933011085594066944>
> 
> [1] - <https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692>
> [2] - <https://bugs.python.org/issue34605>
> 
> [3] - <https://github.com/rust-lang-deprecated/rust-buildbot/issues/2>, <https://github.com/rust-community/foss-events-planner/issues/58>
> 
> [4] - <https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248>
> [5] - <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/geary/issues/324>

You chopped off my last sentence in your reply.

 "If everyone wants to accept the code churn (and it will effect a large number of applications, plus back porting will be more difficult IMO), then we can do it."

So to be clear, I am not opposed to making this change, but wanted to point out the technical impacts of this change to DPDK as a whole.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-05 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-04 21:02 [dpdk-dev] [RFC] doc: change to diverse and inclusive language Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05  1:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC] replace master/slave with primary/secondary Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 10:43   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-06-05 11:14     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-06-05 16:33       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 17:10         ` Wiles, Keith
2020-06-05 17:45           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 19:23             ` Wiles, Keith [this message]
2020-06-05 19:53               ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 20:09                 ` Wiles, Keith
2020-06-05 11:28     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 12:15       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-06-05 15:27     ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05  7:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC] doc: change to diverse and inclusive language Luca Boccassi
2020-06-05  8:35   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 21:40 ` Aaron Conole
2020-06-05 22:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 00/26] Change references to master/slave to Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 01/26] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-29 17:04     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 02/26] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 03/26] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 04/26] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 05/26] drivers: replace master/slave terminolgy Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 06/26] examples/distrutor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 07/26] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 08/26] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 09/26] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 10/26] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 11/26] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 12/26] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 13/26] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 14/26] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 15/26] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 16/26] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 17/26] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 18/26] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 19/26] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 20/26] app/test: repalce refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 21/26] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 22/26] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in samples Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 23/26] doc: replace master lcore terminology Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 24/26] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 25/26] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-06-05 22:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 26/26] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/27] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/27] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/27] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/27] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/27] drivers: replace master/slave terminolgy Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/27] examples/distrutor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/27] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/27] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/27] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/27] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/27] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/27] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/27] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/27] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/27] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/27] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 17/27] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 18/27] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 19/27] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20/27] app/test: replace refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 21/27] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 22/27] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in documentation Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 23/27] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 24/27] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 25/27] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 26/27] memif: replace master/slave with server/client Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 19:46   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 27/27] vhost: rename SLAVE to CLIENT Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/27] eal: rename terms used for DPDK lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 14:07     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/27] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/27] bbdev: rename master to initial lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:26     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/27] librte_power: change reference to rte_master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:37     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/27] drivers: replace master/slave terminology Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:52     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/27] examples/distributor: rename master to initial Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:53     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/27] examples/bond: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:56     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/27] examples/ethtool-app: replace references to slave with worker Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 12:59     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/27] examples/ip_pipeline: replace references to master_lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-13 13:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-09-10  9:52       ` Dumitrescu, Cristian
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/27] examples/qos_{meter/sched}: replace references to master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:31     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/27] examples/l3fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:46     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/27] examples/l2fwd: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:51     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/27] examples/multi_process: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 11:53     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/27] examples/performance-thread: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:09     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/27] examples/ptpclient: replace references " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/27] examples/ipcsec-secgw: " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:27     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 17/27] examples: replace reference " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:33     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 18/27] app/test-pmd: change references to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:39     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 19/27] test-eventdev: replace references to slave with worker lcores Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 12:41     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 20/27] app/test: replace refernces to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 21/27] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 22/27] doc: update references to master/slave lcore in documentation Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 14:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 23/27] app/pdump: replace references to master/slave lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:25     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 24/27] app/test-XXX: replace reference to master/slave Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 12:56     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 25/27] eal: mark old naming as deprecated Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-15 13:28     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-15 20:29       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-16 13:41         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-16 22:04           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 15:21             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-17 15:35               ` Dmitry Kozliuk
2020-07-17 15:43                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-17 15:44                   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-18  2:22               ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-20 12:32                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-20 18:51                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-22  9:05                     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-22 10:07                       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-22 13:53                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-16 22:05           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 26/27] memif: replace master/slave with server/client Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-17 13:01     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-18  2:23       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-01 20:23   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 27/27] vhost: rename SLAVE to CLIENT Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-02 11:17     ` Xia, Chenbo
2020-07-03  7:36       ` Adrian Moreno
2020-07-13 11:05   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/27] Replace references to master and slave Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-13 12:33   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 0/6] Inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-29  9:23     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-29  9:24     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-27 19:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-28  5:16   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20.08 0/6] Inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 0/6] inclusive " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:42     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-08-06 16:49     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 17:00       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:14         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:42     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  8:45     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-07-30 15:10       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 16:53     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-07-30  0:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 16:55     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 16:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20.08 0/6] inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-07 10:45     ` Mcnamara, John
2020-08-06 17:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 1/6] doc: announce deprecation of master lcore Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07  0:10     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 2/6] kni: fix reference to master/slave process Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 3/6] doc: fix incorrect reference to master process Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 4/6] doc: announce deprecation blacklist/whitelist Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07  0:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-08-07  8:43       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 5/6] rte_ethdev: change comment to rte_dev_eth_mac_addr_add Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-06 17:19   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 6/6] check_maintainers: change variable names Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-07 10:45   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20.08 0/6] inclusive language fixes and deprecation notices Mcnamara, John
2020-08-07 10:56     ` Thomas Monjalon

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