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From: "Van Haaren, Harry" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>
To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"Tan, Jianfeng" <jianfeng.tan@intel.com>
Cc: "Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/2] eal: add asynchronous request API to DPDK IPC
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 08:22:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E923DB57A917B54B9182A2E928D00FA65E018297@IRSMSX101.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2563064.olffpIeeN1@xps>

> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:30 AM
> To: Tan, Jianfeng <jianfeng.tan@intel.com>
> Cc: Burakov, Anatoly <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>; dev@dpdk.org; Ananyev,
> Konstantin <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>; Van Haaren, Harry
> <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/2] eal: add asynchronous request API to
> DPDK IPC
> 
> 28/03/2018 04:08, Tan, Jianfeng:
> > Hi Thomas ,
> >
> > From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> > > 27/03/2018 15:59, Anatoly Burakov:
> > > > Under the hood, we create a separate thread to deal with replies to
> > > > asynchronous requests, that will just wait to be notified by the
> > > > main thread, or woken up on a timer.
> > >
> > > I really don't like that a library is creating a thread.
> > > We don't even know where the thread is created (which core).
> > > Can it be a rte_service? or in the interrupt thread?
> >
> > Agree that we'd better not adding so many threads in a library.
> >
> > I was considering to merge all the threads into the interrupt thread,
> however, we don't have an interrupt thread in freebsd. Further, we don't
> implement alarm API in freebsd. That's why I tend to current implementation,
> and optimize it later.
> 
> I would prefer we improve the current code now instead of polluting more
> with more uncontrolled threads.
> 
> > For rte_service, it may be not a good idea to reply on it as it needs
> explicit API calls to setup.
> 
> I don't see the issue of the explicit API.
> The IPC is a new service.

Although I do like to see new services, if we want to enable "core" dpdk functionality with Services, we need a proper designed solution for that. Service cores is not intended for "occasional" work - there is no method to block and sleep on a specific service until work becomes available, so this would imply a busy-polling. Using a service (hence busy polling) for rte_malloc()-based memory mapping requests is inefficient, and total overkill :)

For this patch I suggest to use some blocking-read capable mechanism.

The above said, in the longer term it would be good to have a design that allows new file-descriptors to be added to a "dpdk core" thread, which performs occasional lengthy work if the FD has data available.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-28  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-27 14:59 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-02-28 10:22 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-02 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-07 16:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-13 17:42     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-23 15:38       ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-23 18:21         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-24 13:22           ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-24 12:46       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/2] eal: rename IPC sync request to pending request Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-26  7:31         ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-27 13:59         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-27 16:27           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28  9:15             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-28 10:08               ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28 10:57                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-31 17:06           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/3] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-31 17:06           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/3] eal: rename mp_request to mp_request_sync Anatoly Burakov
2018-04-02  5:09             ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-31 17:06           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/3] eal: add asynchronous request API to DPDK IPC Anatoly Burakov
2018-04-04 22:15             ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-27 13:59         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/2] " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-27 16:33           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28  2:08             ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-28  7:29               ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28  8:22                 ` Van Haaren, Harry [this message]
2018-03-28  8:55                   ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-28  9:10                     ` Van Haaren, Harry
2018-03-28  9:21                     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-28  9:53                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28 10:42                         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-28 11:26                           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-03-28 12:21                             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-28  9:11                 ` Bruce Richardson
2018-03-24 12:46       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 " Anatoly Burakov
2018-03-26 14:15         ` Tan, Jianfeng
2018-03-26 14:28           ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-02 18:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] " Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-03 12:29   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-03-02 18:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-03-03 13:44   ` Burakov, Anatoly

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