From: "Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)" <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>
To: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>,
"stephen@networkplumber.org" <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "david.marchand@redhat.com" <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
"chaozhu@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <chaozhu@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
nd <nd@arm.com>,
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"thomas@monjalon.net" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
"Joyce Kong (Arm Technology China)" <Joyce.Kong@arm.com>,
"hemant.agrawal@nxp.com" <hemant.agrawal@nxp.com>,
Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [EXT] [PATCH v3 6/6] spinlock: ticket based to improve fairness
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 10:04:44 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <VI1PR08MB31676EED2E51194E31AB5D1A8FB70@VI1PR08MB3167.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 12:39 PM
> To: stephen@networkplumber.org
> Cc: david.marchand@redhat.com; chaozhu@linux.vnet.ibm.com; nd
> <nd@arm.com>; bruce.richardson@intel.com; thomas@monjalon.net;
> dev@dpdk.org; Joyce Kong (Arm Technology China) <Joyce.Kong@arm.com>;
> hemant.agrawal@nxp.com; Honnappa Nagarahalli
> <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>; Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
> <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>
> Subject: Re: [EXT] [PATCH v3 6/6] spinlock: ticket based to improve fairness
>
> On Thu, 2018-12-27 at 15:41 -0800, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:08:26 +0000
> > Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2018-12-27 at 10:05 +0000, Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
> > > wrote:
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:58 PM
> > > > > To: Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China) <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>;
> > > > > dev@dpdk.org
> > > > > Cc: david.marchand@redhat.com; chaozhu@linux.vnet.ibm.com; nd
> > > > > <nd@arm.com>; bruce.richardson@intel.com; thomas@monjalon.net;
> > > > > Joyce
> > > > > Kong (Arm Technology China) <Joyce.Kong@arm.com>;
> > > > > hemant.agrawal@nxp.com; stephen@networkplumber.org; Honnappa
> > > > > Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [EXT] [PATCH v3 6/6] spinlock: ticket based to
> > > > > improve
> > > > > fairness
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2018-12-27 at 12:13 +0800, Gavin Hu wrote:
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > From: Joyce Kong <joyce.kong@arm.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The old implementation is unfair, some threads may take locks
> > > > > > aggressively
> > > > >
> > > > > I think, one issue here is x86 and ppc follows traditional
> > > > > spinlock
> > > > > and
> > > > > arm64 will be following ticket lock for spinlock
> > > > > implementation.
> > > > > This would change application behaviour on arm64 compared to
> > > > > x86
> > > > > and
> > > > > ppc.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about having a separate API for ticket lock? That would
> > > > > give,
> > > > > # application choice to use the locking strategy
> > > > > # application behaviour will be same across all arch.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, will do in v4 to have a new named rte_ticket_spinlock API.
> > >
> > > I would prefer rte_ticketlock_[lock/unlock/trylock/is_locked] name
> > > instead of rte_ticket_spinlock_lock etc to reduce the length of the
> > > API.
> >
> > NAK to adding new API for this.
> >
> > I want the best possible locks for all applications and all
> > architectures.
> > These should be called spinlock so there is no requirement for
> > application
> > to change to get better performance. Why not just implement the best
> > algorithm
> > across the board. Yes, this means collaboration or working on the
> > other guys
> > architecture.
>
> Then 6/6 patch needs to put on hold if every arch needs to make ticket
> lock as default spinlock lock strategy.
>
> How about following to make forward progress:
> 1) Introduce rte_ticketlock_[lock/unlock/trylock/is_locked] API now as
> experimental with default implementation
> 2) Provide a time line to switch every arch for optimized ticketlock
> implementation if needed.
> 3) Switch rte_ticketlock_ as rte_spinlock_ API.
> 4) Keep old version of spinlock as new API if some application does not
> need fairness between threads at the cost of light weight spinlock
> implementation.
We will rework the patches following this proposal, and let's switch over at some point of later.
> I don't want arm64 to behave differently than other arch(s).
This is the generic implementation, x86 and ppc can choose also by setting CONFIG_RTE_FORCE_INTRINSICS=y in the config file.
The arch specific implementation is instruction level based, arm will implement this also, they are not ticket based.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-28 10:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-27 4:13 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/6] spinlock optimization and test case enhancements Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/6] eal: fix clang compilation error on x86 Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 6:36 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/6] test/spinlock: remove 1us delay for correct benchmarking Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 7:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/6] test/spinlock: get timestamp more precisely Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 7:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-03 18:22 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/6] test/spinlock: amortize the cost of getting time Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/6] spinlock: reimplement with atomic one-way barrier builtins Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 7:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-27 9:02 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2019-01-03 20:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-11 13:52 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2019-01-14 5:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-14 7:39 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-14 17:08 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2019-01-14 7:57 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-12-27 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 6/6] spinlock: ticket based to improve fairness Gavin Hu
2018-12-27 6:58 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-27 10:05 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)
2018-12-27 12:08 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-27 23:41 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-12-28 4:39 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2018-12-28 10:04 ` Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China) [this message]
2019-01-03 18:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-03 19:53 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-04 7:06 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
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