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From: Georg Sauthoff <mail@gms.tf>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "Luc Pelletier" <lucp.at.work@gmail.com>,
	bruce.richardson@intel.com, konstantin.ananyev@intel.com,
	dev <dev@dpdk.org>, "Xiaoyun Li" <xiaoyun.li@intel.com>,
	"Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] eal: fix unaligned loads/stores in rte_memcpy_generic
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:21:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ye80hp+MufUhEoDD@dell12.lru.li> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220116083220.2abe11b2@hermes.local>

Hello,

Stephen Hemminger wrote (Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:32:20 -0800):

> I would propose that DPDK have same kind of define as the kernel
> for SAFE_UNALIGNED_ACCESS.  The C standard has to apply to all architectures
> but DPDK will make the choice to be fast rather than standards conformant.

perhaps it's worth mentioning that the Linux Kernel is compiled with
-fno-strict-aliasing, because it contains code which violates the C
strict aliasing rules. Such code yields undefined behavior and is thus
unsafe when compiling with optmizing compilers such as GCC and Clang, by
default. But since the Linux supplies -fno-strict-aliasing its code is
safe, in the Linux Kernel context.

In contrast, DPDK isn't compiled with -fno-strict-aliasing, in general.
Only a few drivers are built with -Wno-strict-aliasing.

Thus, one has to be careful when importing (or being inspired) by the
above mentioned kernel defines.

Especially, it looks like version 5 of this patch yields undefined
behavior because it violates strict-aliasing rules.
It's possible that GCC makes some extra guarantees for the used
constructs, even when compiling without -fno-strict-aliasing. But I'm
not aware of any.

Please note that there is a reason GCC enables -fstrict-aliasing when
compiling with optimizations: Performance
IOW, -fno-strict-aliasing has performance implications, thus one is
advised to not use it, if possible.
IOW, when violating strict-aliasng rules one can easily end up with
low-performing and/or unsafe (buggy) code.

I haven't inspected the DPDK drivers which supply -Wno-strict-aliasing -
but I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't better alternatives. Meaning
writing the code in a way that doesn't require -Wno-strict-aliasing.

BTW, are there still systems that DPDK supports but have a memcpy() which
performs worse than rte_memcpy()?


Best regards,
Georg

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-24 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-15 19:41 [PATCH] " Luc Pelletier
2022-01-15 21:39 ` [PATCH v2] " Luc Pelletier
2022-01-15 22:13   ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-01-16 14:09     ` Luc Pelletier
2022-01-16 16:32       ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-01-24 23:21         ` Georg Sauthoff [this message]
2022-01-25  7:59           ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-25 19:57           ` Luc Pelletier
2022-01-16 14:13 ` [PATCH v3] " Luc Pelletier
2022-01-16 14:33   ` Luc Pelletier
2022-01-16 16:34     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-01-16 17:59       ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-16 20:33 ` [PATCH v4] " Luc Pelletier
2022-01-17 15:37 ` [PATCH v5] " Luc Pelletier
2022-02-04 16:42   ` Luc Pelletier
2022-02-04 17:16   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-08 16:53     ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-02-09 15:05     ` Luc Pelletier
2022-02-10 14:04       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-10 16:56         ` Luc Pelletier
2022-02-11 15:51           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-13 22:31             ` Luc Pelletier
2022-02-14 13:41               ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-25 15:51 ` [PATCH v6] eal: fix rte_memcpy strict aliasing/alignment bugs Luc Pelletier
2022-02-25 16:38 ` [PATCH v7] " Luc Pelletier
2022-03-10 14:55   ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-04-07 15:24     ` David Marchand
2022-04-07 15:32       ` David Marchand
2022-04-07 15:40         ` David Marchand
2022-05-13 19:15           ` Luc Pelletier
2022-05-19 16:41             ` David Marchand
2022-04-08 13:47       ` Luc Pelletier
2022-05-19 16:47       ` David Marchand

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