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From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	jackmin@nvidia.com, konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Ruifeng Wang <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>,
	Aditya Ambadipudi <Aditya.Ambadipudi@arm.com>,
	Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] lib/st_ring: add single thread ring
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:52:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a5217d24-045e-2c48-ee7c-f08cf32c6c43@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87B2B@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On 2023-08-24 10:05, Morten Brørup wrote:
>> From: Honnappa Nagarahalli [mailto:Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 August 2023 07.47
>>
>>> From: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:37 AM
>>>
>>>> From: Honnappa Nagarahalli [mailto:honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 August 2023 08.04
>>>>
>>>> Add a single thread safe and multi-thread unsafe ring data structure.
>>>> This library provides an simple and efficient alternative to multi-
>>>> thread safe ring when multi-thread safety is not required.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>
>>>> ---
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>>
>>> However, I prefer it to be implemented in the ring lib as one more ring
>> type.
>>> That would also give us a lot of the infrastructure (management functions,
>>> documentation and tests) for free.
>> IMO, the current code for rte_ring seems complex with C11 and generic
>> implementations, APIs for pointer objects vs APIs for flexible element size
>> etc. I did not want to introduce one more flavor and make it more complex.
> 
>  From the user perspective, I think one more ring flavor is less complex than an entirely separate (very similar) library with its own set of (very similar) APIs.
> 
> I agree that the ring lib has grown somewhat over-engineered, but please don't use that as an argument for making the same-thread ring a separate lib.
> 

What's being proposed is a double-ended queue, not a ring (in the DPDK 
sense).

If you want to Swiss army knifify the rte_ring further and make it a 
deque, then rte_stack should scrapped as well, since it's will become 
just a subset of the new rte_ring_now_really_a_deque.

> On the other hand: If the addition of an optimized same-thread ring flavor would require too many invasive modifications of the existing ring lib, I would accept that as an argument for not adding it as another ring flavor to the existing ring lib.
> 
>> The requirements are different as well. For ex: single thread ring needs APIs
>> for dequeuing and enqueuing at both ends of the ring which is not applicable
>> to existing RTE ring.
> 
> Yes, I will address this topic at the end of this mail.
> 
>>
>> But, I see how the existing infra can be reused easily.
> 
> This also goes for future infrastructure. I doubt that new infrastructure added to the ring lib will also be added to the same-thread ring lib... for reference, consider the PMDs containing copy-pasted code from the mempool lib... none of the later improvements of the mempool lib were implemented in those PMDs.
> 
> In essence, I think this lib overlaps the existing ring lib too much to justify making it a separate lib.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> The ring lib already has performance-optimized APIs for single-consumer and
>>> single-producer use, rte_ring_sc_dequeue_bulk() and
>>> rte_ring_sp_enqueue_burst(). Similar performance-optimized APIs for single-
>>> thread use could be added: rte_ring_st_dequeue_bulk() and
>>> rte_ring_st_enqueue_burst().
>> Yes, the names look fine.
>> Looking through the code. We have the sync type enum:
>>
>> /** prod/cons sync types */
>> enum rte_ring_sync_type {
>>          RTE_RING_SYNC_MT,     /**< multi-thread safe (default mode) */
>>          RTE_RING_SYNC_ST,     /**< single thread only */
>>          RTE_RING_SYNC_MT_RTS, /**< multi-thread relaxed tail sync */
>>          RTE_RING_SYNC_MT_HTS, /**< multi-thread head/tail sync */
>> };
>>
>> The type RTE_RING_SYNC_ST needs better explanation (not a problem). But, this
>> name would have been ideal to use for single thread ring.
>> This enum does not need to be exposed to the users. However, there are
>> rte_ring_get_prod/cons_sync_type etc which seem to be exposed to the user.
>> This all means, we need to have a sync type name RTE_RING_SYNC_MT_UNSAFE (any
>> other better name?) which then affects API naming.
>> rte_ring_mt_unsafe_dequeue_bulk?
> 
> As always, naming is difficult.
> The enum rte_ring_sync_type describes the producer and consumer independently, whereas this ring type uses the same thread for both producer and consumer.
> I think we should avoid MT in the names for this variant. How about:
> 
> RTE_RING_SYNC_STPC /**< same thread for both producer and consumer */
> 
> And:
> 
> rte_ring_spc_dequeue_bulk() and rte_ring_spc_enqueue_burst()
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Regardless if added to the ring lib or as a separate lib, "reverse" APIs
>> (for single-
>>> thread use only) and zero-copy APIs can be added at any time later.
> 
> As the only current use case for "reverse" (i.e. dequeue at tail, enqueue at head) APIs is for the same-thread ring flavor, we could start by adding only the specialized variants of the "reverse" APIs, rte_ring_spc_reverse_xxx(), and initially omit the generic rte_ring_reverse_xxx() APIs. (We need better names; I used "reverse" for explanation only.)
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-24 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21  6:04 Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-08-21  7:37 ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-22  5:47   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-08-24  8:05     ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-24 10:52       ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2023-08-24 11:22         ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-26 23:34           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-08-21 21:14 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-08-22  5:43   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-08-22  8:04     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-08-22 16:28       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-09-04 10:13 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-09-04 18:10   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-09-05  8:19     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-04-01  1:37 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe deque library Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-01  1:37   ` [PATCH v1 1/2] deque: add multi-thread unsafe double ended queue Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-06  9:35     ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-24 13:42     ` [PATCH v2 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe deque library Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-24 13:42       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] deque: add multi-thread unsafe double ended queue Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-24 15:16         ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-24 17:21           ` Patrick Robb
2024-04-25  7:43             ` Ali Alnubani
2024-04-24 23:28         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 20:19         ` [PATCH v3 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe deque library Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-05-02 20:19           ` [PATCH v3 1/2] deque: add multi-thread unsafe double ended queue Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-05-02 20:19           ` [PATCH v3 2/2] deque: add unit tests for the deque library Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-05-02 20:29           ` [PATCH v3 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe " Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-24 13:42       ` [PATCH v2 2/2] deque: add unit tests for the " Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-01  1:37   ` [PATCH v1 " Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-01 14:05   ` [PATCH v1 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe " Stephen Hemminger
2024-04-01 22:28     ` Aditya Ambadipudi
2024-04-02  0:05       ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-02  0:47       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-04-02  1:35         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-04-02  2:00           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-04-02  2:14             ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-04-02  2:53               ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]                 ` <PAVPR08MB9185DC373708CBD16A38EFA8EF3E2@PAVPR08MB9185.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
2024-04-02  4:20                   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-02 23:44                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-04-03  0:12                       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-04-03 23:52                         ` Variable name issues with codespell Stephen Hemminger
2024-04-02  4:20                 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] deque: add multithread unsafe deque library Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-03 16:50                 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-04-03 17:46                   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-02  6:05         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-02 15:25           ` Stephen Hemminger

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