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From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Ferruh Yigit" <ferruh.yigit@amd.com>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: "Thomas Monjalon" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] net/af_packet: make stats reset reliable
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 09:23:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3c8ed9-dc49-4c9e-9db7-c62720ad1c53@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F427@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On 2024-05-08 09:10, Morten Brørup wrote:
>> From: Mattias Rönnblom [mailto:hofors@lysator.liu.se]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2024 08.35
>>
>> On 2024-05-07 21:19, Morten Brørup wrote:
>>>> From: Mattias Rönnblom [mailto:hofors@lysator.liu.se]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2024 09.24
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-04-28 17:11, Mattias Rönnblom wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-26 16:38, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> static uint64_t
>>>>> counter_value(struct counter *counter)
>>>>> {
>>>>>        uint64_t count = __atomic_load_n(&counter->count,
>>>> __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
>>>>>        uint64_t offset = __atomic_load_n(&counter->offset,
>>>> __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since the count and the offset are written to independently, without any
>>>> ordering restrictions, an update and a reset in quick succession may
>>>> cause the offset store to be globally visible before the new count.
>>>
>>> Good catch.
>>> This may happen when a thread calls stats_add() and then the same thread
>> calls stats_reset().
>>>
>>>> In such a scenario, a reader could see an offset > count.
>>>>
>>>> Thus, unless I'm missing something, one should add a
>>>>
>>>> if (unlikely(offset > count))
>>>> 	return 0;
>>>>
>>>> here. With the appropriate comment explaining why this might be.
>>>>
>>>> Another approach would be to think about what memory barriers may be
>>>> required to make sure one sees the count update before the offset
>>>> update, but, intuitively, that seems like both more complex and more
>>>> costly (performance-wise).
>>>
>>> I think it can be done without affecting stats_add(), by using "offset" with
>> Release-Consume ordering:
>>>    - stats_reset() must write "offset" with memory_order_release, so
>> "counter" cannot be visible after it, and
>>>    - stats_get() must read "offset" with memory_order_consume, so no reads or
>> writes in the current thread dependent on "offset" can be reordered before
>> this load, and writes to "counter" (a data-dependent variable) in other
>> threads that release "offset" are visible in the current thread.
>>>
>>
>> That was the kind of complexity I was thinking about. Those barriers
>> come with a non-zero cost, both with different instructions being used
>> and compiler optimizations being prevented.
> 
> Yep, you mentioned that there might be a more complex alternative, so I decided to explore it. :-)
> 
> This approach doesn't impose any new requirements on stats_add(), so the data plane performance is not affected.
> 

OK, I get it now. That's a good point. In my thought experiment, I had a 
thread both updating and resetting the counter, which should be allowed, 
but you could have barriers sit only in the reset routine.

> For per-thread counters, stats_add() can store "counter" using memory_order_relaxed. Or, if the architecture prevents tearing of 64-bit variables, using volatile.
> 
> Counters shared by multiple threads must be atomically incremented using rte_atomic_fetch_add_explicit() with memory_order_relaxed.
> 
>>
>>>>
>>>>>        return count + offset;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> static void
>>>>> counter_reset(struct counter *counter)
>>>>> {
>>>>>        uint64_t count = __atomic_load_n(&counter->count,
>>>> __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
>>>>>
>>>>>        __atomic_store_n(&counter->offset, count, __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> static void
>>>>> counter_add(struct counter *counter, uint64_t operand)
>>>>> {
>>>>>        __atomic_store_n(&counter->count, counter->count + operand,
>>>>> __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
>>>>> }
>>>

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-25 17:46 [RFC] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 11:33 ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-26 13:37   ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:56     ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:42   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 14:38 ` [RFC v2] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-04-26 14:47   ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:11   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-01 16:19     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02  5:51       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 14:22         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 15:59           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 18:20             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-02 17:37           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 18:26             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-02 21:26               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02 21:46                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07  7:23     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 13:49       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:51         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 16:00           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 16:54             ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 18:47               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08  7:48             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:28           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  6:25         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 19:19       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  6:34         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  7:10           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  7:23             ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2024-04-26 21:28 ` [RFC] " Patrick Robb
2024-05-03 15:45 ` [RFC v3] " Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-03 22:00   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 13:48     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-07 14:52       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-07 17:27         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08  7:19     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08 15:23       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-08 19:48         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-08 20:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-09  7:43             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09  9:29               ` Bruce Richardson
2024-05-09 11:37                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-09 14:19                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-10  4:56                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  9:14                       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-26  7:10                         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:07                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:03                   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  7:21         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 15:27   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-07 17:40     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-05-10  5:01 ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 1/3] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 2/3] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10  5:01   ` [RFC 3/3] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-10 17:29   ` [RFC 0/3] generic sw counters Morten Brørup
2024-05-10 19:30     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52   ` [RFC v2 0/7] generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 19:36       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 4/7] net/tap: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 6/7] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-13 18:52     ` [RFC v2 7/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Generic SW counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15  9:30       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-15 15:03         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 16:18           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-26  7:34         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26  6:45       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] ethdev: add internal helper of SW driver statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] net/af_packet: use SW stats helper Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] net/af_xdp: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-14 15:35     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Generic 64 bit counters for SW PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:40     ` [PATCH v4 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-15 23:41     ` [PATCH v4 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40   ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:22       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-16 21:42         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:39           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:29             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:39               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 18:30       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-05-17  0:19         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-16 15:40     ` [PATCH v5 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12   ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Generic 64 bit counters for SW drivers Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  2:45       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  3:30         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  4:26           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2024-05-17  6:44             ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 16:18               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-18 14:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 15:13                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-19 17:10                     ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-19 22:49                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-20  7:57                         ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-17 15:07             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 13:34       ` Loftus, Ciara
2024-05-17 14:54         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17  0:12     ` [PATCH v6 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35   ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Use weak atomic operations for SW PMD counters Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 2/9] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 3/9] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 4/9] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 5/9] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 6/9] test/pmd_ring: initialize mbufs Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 7/9] net/ring: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 8/9] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-17 17:35     ` [PATCH v7 9/9] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00   ` [PATCH v8 0/8] Common statistics routines for SW based PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 17:00     ` [PATCH v8 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16   ` [PATCH v9 0/8] Common statistics for SW PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22  8:31       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 15:33         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 18:09           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 19:53             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 20:56               ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 15:37         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 17:57           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-22 19:01             ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-05-22 19:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-26 14:46                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-26 14:39               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-21 20:16     ` [PATCH v9 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12   ` [PATCH v10 0/8] Common statistics for software PMD's Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 1/8] eal: generic 64 bit counter Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 2/8] ethdev: add common counters for statistics Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 3/8] net/af_packet: use generic SW stats Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 4/8] net/af_xdp: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 5/8] net/pcap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 6/8] net/ring: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 7/8] net/tap: " Stephen Hemminger
2024-05-22 16:12     ` [PATCH v10 8/8] net/null: " Stephen Hemminger

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