From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mails.dpdk.org (mails.dpdk.org [217.70.189.124]) by inbox.dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF5AA0543; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.70.189.124] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mails.dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A3040156; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shelob.oktetlabs.ru (shelob.oktetlabs.ru [91.220.146.113]) by mails.dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12334400D7 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:39:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.38.17] (aros.oktetlabs.ru [192.168.38.17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by shelob.oktetlabs.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1151283; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:39:11 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 shelob.oktetlabs.ru 1151283 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=oktetlabs.ru; s=default; t=1663832351; bh=ivrS6weRv1r474OtzDDw+qOgeWNxd3rsfiJoZqCWjS8=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=Ozvtz5EyXu6jpeFNEV8y/6Sol6lzQCvfpo5k2AR6z0rcc4ukwuqZsCEAm1uhiJmYh O8wtU0rhQwLG0mxgt4tBLFrYSSLng0oGsPBCHh+ANHLTyeHlt6avi2EMLRJXeFhXs2 H7Cj4W2/SN49/jkgPf4t2M/l633/CBS7dWEsOnwc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:39:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.13.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] ethdev: add direction info when creating the transfer table Content-Language: en-US To: =?UTF-8?Q?Morten_Br=c3=b8rup?= , Ori Kam , "NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon (EXTERNAL)" , Ivan Malov Cc: Rongwei Liu , Matan Azrad , Slava Ovsiienko , Aman Singh , Yuying Zhang , dev@dpdk.org, Raslan Darawsheh , jerinj@marvell.com, ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com References: <20220907024020.2474860-1-rongweil@nvidia.com> <4733483b-effe-1eac-cbf-d238e1ec2b8@oktetlabs.ru> <13527775.RDIVbhacDa@thomas> <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87342@smartserver.smartshare.dk> From: Andrew Rybchenko Organization: OKTET Labs In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87342@smartserver.smartshare.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org On 9/21/22 15:51, Morten Brørup wrote: >> From: Ori Kam [mailto:orika@nvidia.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 14.41 >> >>> From: Andrew Rybchenko >>> >>> On 9/21/22 12:40, Thomas Monjalon wrote: >>>> 21/09/2022 11:04, Ivan Malov: >>>>> Now it's clear to me that your intention is to match on exact >> ports, >>>>> as usual, but this time with a hint for the flow table. Got it. >>>>> >>>>> In your response, you say that matching on ALL vports is not what >>>>> the use case needs. OK, I understood. But please note that the >>>>> item name does not say "ALL", it says "ANY". >>>>> >>>>> OK. Say, "ANY" is also confusing. Let's then name it "VPORTS_ONLY" >>>>> and "PHY_PORTS_ONLY". This way, if user provides item VPORTS_ONLY >>>>> and then provides item REPRESENTED_PORT, these two items do not >>>>> contradict each other. Item VPORTS_ONLY defines the scope of some >>>>> kind, then the following item, REPRESENTED_PORT, makes it >> narrower. >>>>> >>>>> And, in documentation, one can say clearly that the user *may* >>>>> omit item VPORTS_ONLY in the exact rule pattern provided that >>>>> they have already submitted this item as part of the template. >>>> >>>> I think the problem that Rongwei & Ori are trying to solve >>>> is to allocate resources for the templates table in the right >> place. >>>> A table can have multiple templates. >>>> If all rules/templates for this table are dedicated to virtual >> ports, >>>> then the table will be allocated in a place managing only virtual >> ports. >>>> This allocation decision must be taken at table creation, >>>> whereas rules will be created later. >>>> In order to do this specific table allocation for vports, >>>> we need to restrict all templates of the table to be "vports only". >>>> >>>> I hope it makes things clearer. >>>> Now the question is how to achieve this? Solutions are: >>>> >>>> 1/ give a hint to the table allocation >>>> 2/ insert a pattern item in all templates of the table >>>> >>>> I don't see any other solution. Please propose if there are more >> options. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> See my mail >>> >>> 3/ use jump rule which ensures that all traffic meets out >>> expectations >>> >>> It means that the table creation could be postponed. Or the >>> table could be per-configured at the point of creation and >>> finalized when we know that all traffic will be from wires >>> or from vports. Yes, it complicates internals to achieve >>> the optimization. >> >> Sorry Andrew your suggestion is not a valid one for the following >> reasons: >> 1. table creation can't be postponed this is a key idea of the rte_flow >> template API. I guess nobody cares if it delays insertion on the first rule only. Anyway, see below. >> 2. we can never know what rules will be inserted if the application >> doesn't tell us. >> how can we know this is the last rule? What do we do with the >> first rule? >> 3. I don't see how jumping helps since it worsens the issue when you >> jump to a table, >> how does the PMD know if this table should have only wire or only >> vports? Jump rules say so. PMD can analyze there rules. May be just need an attribute saying that all jump rules to the table are configured and further attempts to reconfigure will be rejected? >> >> I agree with Thomas, there are two valid options, I vote for the hint >> since this is the >> feature idea to tell the PMD where this resource should be allocated. > > This is an optimization; I agree with Ori that a hint is appropriate, like the MBUF_FAST_FREE hint on TX queues. > > No need to add more complexity by requiring the driver to recognize that the pattern is present in all templates. (And perhaps also remove that pattern when applying the templates.) What does the part of the matching criteria so special that it is allowed to have dedicated hint attribute? May be we can have really generic solution when any part of the matching criteria could provide such hints?