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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] How to manage new APIs added after major ABI release? X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions <dev.dpdk.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://mails.dpdk.org/options/dev>, <mailto:dev-request@dpdk.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/> List-Post: <mailto:dev@dpdk.org> List-Help: <mailto:dev-request@dpdk.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://mails.dpdk.org/listinfo/dev>, <mailto:dev-request@dpdk.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Sender: "dev" <dev-bounces@dpdk.org> On 12/11/2019 1:11 PM, Neil Horman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:56:28AM +0000, Ferruh Yigit wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With new process, the major ABI releases will be compatible until it is >> deprecated (until next LTS for now), >> like current ABI version is 20 in DPDK_19.11 and DPDK versions until DPDK_20.11 >> will be ABI compatible with this version. >> >> But if we introduce a new API after major ABI, say in 20.02 release, are we >> allowed to break the ABI for that API before DPDK_20.11? >> >> If we allow it break, following problem will be observed: >> Assume an application using .so.20.1 library, and using the new API introduced >> in 20.02, lets say foo(), >> but when application switches to .so.20.2 (released via DPDK_20.05), application >> will fail because of ABI breakage in foo(). >> >> I think it is fair that application expects forward compatibility in minor >> versions of a shared library. >> Like if application linked against .so.20.2, fair to expect .so.20.3, .so.20.4 >> etc will work fine. I think currently only .so.20.0 is fully forward compatible. >> >> If we all agree on this, we may need to tweak the process a little, but before >> diving into implementation details, I would like to be sure we are in same page. >> > Yes, I agree with the assertion. Once an ABI is fixed, it must be compatible > with all future minor releases subsequent to the fixing of that ABI, until the > next major update. That is to say, once you release ABI_20, all minor updates > 20.01, 20.02, etc must be compatible with ABI_20 until such time as ABI_21 is > released. There is a slight difference. All minor versions already compatible with ABI_20, like: 20.01, 20.02, 20.03 are ABI compatible with 20.0 (which defines ABI_20). Question is if 20.03 should be compatible with 20.02? This can happen if a new API is introduced in 20.2 and ABI has broken for that API in 20.3, so an ABI compatibility issue created between 20.03 & 20.02, meanwhile both are compatible with ABI_20. I can see two options: a) New APIs are introduced only when we switch to new major ABI version. But if we switch to longer (2 years) ABI compatibility, I think this is unacceptable to wait up to two years to have (non experimental) APIs. b) APIs added in minor version will be part of ABI_20 after that point and same rules will apply to them. Like if and API has introduced in 20.2, it is not allowed to be broken until next major ABI version. Thanks, ferruh