From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dpdk.org (dpdk.org [92.243.14.124]) by inbox.dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B1EA04EF; Mon, 25 May 2020 17:04:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [92.243.14.124] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46BD1D6C6; Mon, 25 May 2020 17:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mga07.intel.com (mga07.intel.com [134.134.136.100]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190251D607; Mon, 25 May 2020 17:04:48 +0200 (CEST) IronPort-SDR: pPYAJRwpe5Z0O7o4vD7I4HS4MO/YwxbgBk7nqvRDHm6HHpHmtQyE1b2VMji2RmM9uc6EJKI5eI sty60PT6NfJQ== X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from fmsmga006.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.20]) by orsmga105.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 25 May 2020 08:04:47 -0700 IronPort-SDR: /nFafJFBynXax6/km04QzOvp1/gMpwJHMZ8CP7bgBoK7Qr6zHl5rSYuHHmJ4sLf5WXvFFp8Wga R7TBAbKPuWGg== X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,433,1583222400"; d="scan'208";a="468072698" Received: from aburakov-mobl.ger.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.212.230.177]) ([10.212.230.177]) by fmsmga006.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 25 May 2020 08:04:46 -0700 To: Bruce Richardson Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Morten_Br=c3=b8rup?= , techboard@dpdk.org, dev@dpdk.org, "Jim St. Leger" References: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35C60FEA@smartserver.smartshare.dk> <6d59a42a-915b-47fc-60e6-94a4600d4bff@intel.com> <20200525120819.GA900@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> From: "Burakov, Anatoly" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:04:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200525120819.GA900@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] Consider improving the DPDK contribution processes X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Sender: "dev" On 25-May-20 1:08 PM, Bruce Richardson wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:12:49PM +0100, Burakov, Anatoly wrote: >> On 25-May-20 10:34 AM, Morten Brørup wrote: >>> Dear DPDK Techboard, >>> >>> I am writing this to raise awareness about the environment for contributing to DPDK, as I feel that it could be improved. This is not a personal thing - I have thick skin - but a general observation. I urge the DPDK Techboard to spend some time to focus on the process, and not only on the technology. >>> >>> Contributing to DPDK is not easy for infrequent contributors: >>> >>> 1. Infrequent contributors are limited by not being deeply familiar with the coding style and the commit style, so their style is not always 100 % spot on. >>> 2. Infrequent contributors are limited by not having built trust by the maintainers and frequent contributors, and thus their contributions undergo more detailed reviews and get more negative (or: perceived negative) feedback, where trusted contributors are given more slack. (In theory, every contribution should be treated equal, but in reality it makes sense allocating fewer resources to review contributions from developers with a proven track record.) >>> 3. Infrequent contributors may not be deeply familiar with the development/contribution tools. E.g. how to use git the "DPDK way". >>> >>> Additionally, when contributing to old DPDK code, checkpatch complains about coding style violations stemming from the existing old code. This also raises the barrier and decreases the motivation to contribute - a contributor getting negative feedback about something he didn't even do. >>> >>> >>> Here are a couple of anonymous examples from the mailing list: >>> >>> An infrequent contributor got minor coding style suggestions to a patch, although the coding style was similar to that of a closely related function in the same library, but not perfectly matching the official coding style. I think we could be more lax about coding style, except if the coding style directly violates automatic coding style validation tools. >>> >> >> A lot of that could simply be fixed by codifying our Coding Style into a >> .clang-format file, and make this process (semi-)automatic. A lot of >> IDE's/editors now have either built-in support for clang-format, or have >> plugins enabling said support. >> >> I've investigated this in the past and found that our coding style >> guidelines are very specific in some places, and neither clang-format nor >> other options have that kind of detailed control over source code >> formatting. The only other option would be to adjust our coding style to fit >> the options available in clang-format. >> >> IMO this would cut down a lot on complaints about mixing indents, wrong >> alignment, (lack of) newlines before function name, etc. >> > > This is of definite interest to me, for one. How close to our current > standards can we get right now with clang-format? If the coding standards > right now can't match exactly, how big would be the changes to make them > doable in clang-format? Is it one or two things, or is it quite a number? > > /Bruce > The issues weren't that serious - mainly the peculiarities around our custom macros like __rte_experimental or our specific flavor of indentation. I can't remember off the top of my head exactly what was the problem as i've looked at this a couple of years ago, but i'm pretty sure the majority of the stuff we expect in DPDK is configurable through clang-format. Plus, i'm sure clang-format has gained features in the meantime, maybe the things that weren't possible then, are now :) -- Thanks, Anatoly