From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mga05.intel.com (mga05.intel.com [192.55.52.43]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C151B129 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 18:44:44 +0100 (CET) X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from fmsmga001.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.23]) by fmsmga105.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Jan 2019 09:44:43 -0800 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,431,1539673200"; d="scan'208";a="134776017" Received: from fyigit-mobl.ger.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.237.221.22]) ([10.237.221.22]) by fmsmga001.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2019 09:44:40 -0800 To: Shahaf Shuler , Tom Barbette , "dev@dpdk.org" Cc: "bruce.richardson@intel.com" , "john.mcnamara@intel.com" , Thomas Monjalon , Andrew Rybchenko , Yongseok Koh , Alejandro Lucero , Konstantin Ananyev References: <3811860b2a7b4bd2be2e9d3fd7de23c0@exdb05.ug.kth.se> From: Ferruh Yigit Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=ferruh.yigit@intel.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFXZCFABEADCujshBOAaqPZpwShdkzkyGpJ15lmxiSr3jVMqOtQS/sB3FYLT0/d3+bvy qbL9YnlbPyRvZfnP3pXiKwkRoR1RJwEo2BOf6hxdzTmLRtGtwWzI9MwrUPj6n/ldiD58VAGQ +iR1I/z9UBUN/ZMksElA2D7Jgg7vZ78iKwNnd+vLBD6I61kVrZ45Vjo3r+pPOByUBXOUlxp9 GWEKKIrJ4eogqkVNSixN16VYK7xR+5OUkBYUO+sE6etSxCr7BahMPKxH+XPlZZjKrxciaWQb +dElz3Ab4Opl+ZT/bK2huX+W+NJBEBVzjTkhjSTjcyRdxvS1gwWRuXqAml/sh+KQjPV1PPHF YK5LcqLkle+OKTCa82OvUb7cr+ALxATIZXQkgmn+zFT8UzSS3aiBBohg3BtbTIWy51jNlYdy ezUZ4UxKSsFuUTPt+JjHQBvF7WKbmNGS3fCid5Iag4tWOfZoqiCNzxApkVugltxoc6rG2TyX CmI2rP0mQ0GOsGXA3+3c1MCdQFzdIn/5tLBZyKy4F54UFo35eOX8/g7OaE+xrgY/4bZjpxC1 1pd66AAtKb3aNXpHvIfkVV6NYloo52H+FUE5ZDPNCGD0/btFGPWmWRmkPybzColTy7fmPaGz cBcEEqHK4T0aY4UJmE7Ylvg255Kz7s6wGZe6IR3N0cKNv++O7QARAQABtCVGZXJydWggWWln aXQgPGZlcnJ1aC55aWdpdEBpbnRlbC5jb20+iQJVBBMBAgA/AhsDBgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJCgsE FgIDAQIeAQIXgBYhBNI2U4dCLsKE45mBx/kz60PfE2EfBQJbughWBQkHwjOGAAoJEPkz60Pf E2Eft84QAIbKWqhgqRfoiw/BbXbA1+qm2o4UgkCRQ0yJgt9QsnbpOmPKydHH0ixCliNz1J8e mRXCkMini1bTpnzp7spOjQGLeAFkNFz6BMq8YF2mVWbGEDE9WgnAxZdi0eLY7ZQnHbE6AxKL SXmpe9INb6z3ztseFt7mqje/W/6DWYIMnH3Yz9KzxujFWDcq8UCAvPkxVQXLTMpauhFgYeEx Nub5HbvhxTfUkapLwRQsSd/HbywzqZ3s/bbYMjj5JO3tgMiM9g9HOjv1G2f1dQjHi5YQiTZl 1eIIqQ3pTic6ROaiZqNmQFXPsoOOFfXF8nN2zg8kl/sSdoXWHhama5hbwwtl1vdaygQYlmdK H2ueiFh/UvT3WG3waNv2eZiEbHV8Rk52Xyn2w1G90lV0fYC6Ket1Xjoch7kjwbx793Kz/RfQ rmBY8/S4DTGn3oq3dMdQY+b6+7VMUeLMMh2CXYO9ErkOq+qNTD1IY+cBAkXnaDbQfz0zbste ZGWH74FAZ9nCpDOqbRTrBL42aMGhfOWEyeA1x7+hl6JZfabBWAuf4nnCXuorKHzBXTrf7u7p fXsKQClWRW77PF1VmzrtKNVSytQAmlCWApQIw20AarFipXmVdIjHmJPU611WoyxZPb4JTOxx 5cv9B+nr/RIB+v5dcStyHCCwO1be7nBDdCgd4F6kTQPLuQINBFfWTL4BEACnNA29e8TarUsB L5n6eLZHXcFvVwNLVlirWOClHXf44o2KnN3ww+eBEmKVfEFo9MSuGDNHS8Zw1NiGMYxLIUgd U6gGrVVs/VrQWL82pbMk6jCj98N+BXIri+6K1z+AImz7ax7iF1kDgRAnFWU0znWWBgM2mM8Y gDjcxfXk4sCKnvf6Gjo08Ey5zmqx7dekAKU2EEp8Q1EJY3jbymLdZWRP4AFFMTS1rGMk0/tt v71NBg1GobCcbNfn9chK/jhqxYhAJqq86RdJQkt3/9x1U1Oq0vXCt4JVVHmkxePtUiuWTTt+ aYlUAsKYZsWvncExvw77x2ArYDmaK0yfjh37wp0lY7DOJHFxoyT8tyWZlLci/VMRG2Ja33xj 0CN4C1yBg+QDeV3QFxQo42iA/ykdXPUR3ezmsND3XKvVLTC4DNb3V/EZQ7jBj64+bEK0VW4G B31VP00ApNQvSoczsIOAKdk97RNbpmPw6q10ILIB+9T1xbnFYzshzGF17oC0/GENIHATx8vZ masOZoDiOZQpeneLgnFE9JfzhLTxv6wNZcc/HLXRQVTkDsQr8ERtkAoHCf1E5+b5Yr7pfnE4 YuhET746o25S53ELUYPIs49qoJsEJL34/oexMfPGyPIlrbufiNyty5jc/1MRwUlhJlJ5IOHy ZUa+6CLR7GdImusFkPJUJwARAQABiQI8BBgBAgAmAhsMFiEE0jZTh0IuwoTjmYHH+TPrQ98T YR8FAlu6CHAFCQXE7zIACgkQ+TPrQ98TYR9nXxAAqNBgkYNyGuWUuy0GwDQCbu3iiMyH1+D7 llafPcK4NYy1Z4AYuVwC9nmLaoj+ozdqS3ncRo57ncRsKEJC46nDJJZYZ5LSJVn63Y3NBF86 lxQAgjj2oyZEwaLKtKbAFsXL43jv1pUGgSvWwYtDwHITXXFQto9rZEuUDRFSx4sg9OR+Q6/6 LY+nQQ3OdHlBkflzYMPcWgDcvcTAO6yasLEUf7UcYoSWTyMYjLB4QuNlXzTswzGVMssJF/vo V8lD1eqqaSUWG3STF6GVLQOr1NLvN5+kUBiEStHFxBpgSCvYY9sNV8FS6N24CAWMBl+10W+D 2h1yiiP5dOdPcBDYKsgqDD91/sP0WdyMJkwdQJtD49f9f+lYloxHnSAxMleOpyscg1pldw+i mPaUY1bmIknLhhkqfMmjywQOXpac5LRMibAAYkcB8v7y3kwELnt8mhqqZy6LUsqcWygNbH/W K3GGt5tRpeIXeJ25x8gg5EBQ0Jnvp/IbBYQfPLtXH0Myq2QuAhk/1q2yEIbVjS+7iowEZNyE 56K63WBJxsJPB2mvmLgn98GqB4G6GufP1ndS0XDti/2K0o8rep9xoY/JDGi0n0L0tk9BHyoP Y7kaEpu7UyY3nVdRLe5H1/MnFG8hdJ97WqnPS0buYZlrbTV0nRFL/NI2VABl18vEEXvNQiO+ vM8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 17:44:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] rte_ethdev: Add API function to read dev clock X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 17:44:45 -0000 On 12/23/2018 6:06 AM, Shahaf Shuler wrote: > Ferruh, > > I share the same thoughts as Tom here. > >   > >>Ferruh Yigit wrote : > >>> Is this a common enough feature to include into ethdev abstraction layer? Or a > >>> feature for a single vendor? > >>  > >>I found reference to mbuf’s timestamp field only in MLX5. I think it is the > only one to support timestamp offloading. This new API is only useful to make > sense out of the timestamp value. And without this patch, timestamp offloading > is completely useless… Why timestamp offloading become useless? When timestamp offloading enabled, device fills 'mbuf.timestamp' and you can use it. For your case this timestamp for mlx is device clock and you are adding this API to be able to convert device clock to real time, this is not something enables the timestamp offload. Technically driver can set the 'mbuf.timestamp' with the real clock right, if it is required? Or this can be defined by a devarg? Also this relates to how other HW vendors implemented this, if it is common approach to fill the timestamp with the device clock and there is way to clock reference from device, this may make sense. If other vendors already providing the real time on timestamp, this needs to be handled in mlx driver. That is why it is good to know what other vendors need / use this? > >>  > >>What would be the other way ? Define something in mlx5 header and ask clients > to check for the driver and call the specific API ? > >>  > >>I see reference to timestamp offloading in Netronome Agilio, CC-ing > maintainers. Is timestamp offloading a feature you could potentially provide ? > Would it be host time reference or a value that need conversion with an API like > this? > >   > > I don’t think that the number of vendors which implement the feature at current > time is the qualifier for a feature to enter. Rather we should consider how > generic it is and its need in the world of networking (since it is ethdev). > > IMO, It is perfectly reasonable to expose a generic channel to read the device > clock, same as reading device register (which exists). > The concern is ethdev bloats with single vendor specific APIs. In the past we moved some of the ethdev APIs as PMD specific APIs to PMDs. It is not nice to have "PMD specific APIs" but that was the trade off for more usable ethdev API. And according techboard discussion [1] for new API(): " If the API is about HW abstraction, at least one driver should be implemented. Preferably two. " I am questioning if is there possible second one, and how is their implementation is like. [1] https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2018-November/118697.html