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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Spike Du <spiked@nvidia.com>
Cc: Matan Azrad <matan@nvidia.com>,
	Slava Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>,
	Ori Kam <orika@nvidia.com>,
	"NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon (EXTERNAL)" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Raslan Darawsheh <rasland@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based limit watermark
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 15:54:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220523155437.764bea10@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR12MB3647125617695A255DB326DCA8D49@MN2PR12MB3647.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, 23 May 2022 03:01:20 +0000
Spike Du <spiked@nvidia.com> wrote:

> Hi, pls see below.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 11:23 PM
> > To: Spike Du <spiked@nvidia.com>
> > Cc: Matan Azrad <matan@nvidia.com>; Slava Ovsiienko
> > <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>; Ori Kam <orika@nvidia.com>; NBU-Contact-
> > Thomas Monjalon (EXTERNAL) <thomas@monjalon.net>; dev@dpdk.org;
> > Raslan Darawsheh <rasland@nvidia.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based limit watermark
> > 
> > External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 22 May 2022 08:58:56 +0300
> > Spike Du <spiked@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > diff --git a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h index
> > > 04cff8ee10..687ae5ff29 100644
> > > --- a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > +++ b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > @@ -1249,7 +1249,16 @@ struct rte_eth_rxconf {
> > >        */
> > >       union rte_eth_rxseg *rx_seg;
> > >
> > > -     uint64_t reserved_64s[2]; /**< Reserved for future fields */
> > > +     /**
> > > +      * Per-queue Rx limit watermark defined as percentage of Rx queue
> > > +      * size. If Rx queue receives traffic higher than this percentage,
> > > +      * the event RTE_ETH_EVENT_RX_LWM is triggered.
> > > +      */
> > > +     uint8_t lwm;
> > > +
> > > +     uint8_t reserved_bits[3];
> > > +     uint32_t reserved_32s;
> > > +     uint64_t reserved_64s;
> > >       void *reserved_ptrs[2];   /**< Reserved for future fields */
> > >  };
> > >  
> > 
> > Ok but, this is an ABI risk about this because reserved stuff was never
> > required before.
> > Whenever is a reserved field is introduced the code (in this case
> > rte_ethdev_configure).
> > 
> > Best practice would have been to have the code require all reserved fields be
> > 0 in earlier releases. In this case an application is like to define a watermark of
> > zero; how will your code handle it.  
> Having watermark of 0 is desired, which is the default. LWM of 0 means the Rx
> Queue's watermark is not monitored, hence no LWM event is generated.
> > 
> > Also, using 8 bits as percentage is different than how other API's handle this.
> > Since Rx queue size is in packets, why is this not in packets?  
> The short answer is to simply the LWM configuration.
> Rx queue descriptor is complex nowadays. 
> For normal queue, user may configure LWM according to queue descriptor number easily.
> But for below queues, it's not easy:
> Take mprq as example, the testpmd cmd  options can be " -a 0000:03:00.0,rxqs_min_mprq=1,mprq_en=1,mprq_max_memcpy_len=465,mprq_log_stride_size=8,mprq_log_stride_num=3
> -- --mbcache=512 -i  --nb-cores=7  --txd=1024 --rxd=1024 ", 
> For MLX5 implementation,  the minimum "unit" in queue has 64 descriptors, the "unit" number is 16,  if you configure according to descriptor number(1024)
> Here, you may easily set LWM as something like 512, but HW doesn't allow it, because 512 > 16. If you want the watermark to be half, the correct value is 8.
> The same issue happens to feature like "Rx queue buffer split" where a packet can be split to multiple descriptors.
> Using percentage doesn't have such issues, PMD will cover all the details.
> 
> > Also document what behavior of 0 is.  
> Sure. The behavior is like the old days without this feature, pls see above.
> 
> > Why introduce new query/set operations? This should just be part of the
> > overall device configuration.  
> Due to different implementation. LWM can be a dynamic configuration which can help user design a flexible flow control.
> User may feel ok with LWM of 80% to get high throughput, or later on with 50% to throttle the traffic responsively by handling LWM event in order to reduce drop.
> Some driver like mlx5 may implement LWM event as one-time shot. When you receive LWM event, you need to reconfigure LWM in order to receive the event again, thus you will
> not likely to be overwhelmed by the events.
> These all require set operation.
> 
> For the query operation. The rte_event API rte_eth_dev_callback_process() is per-port API, it doesn't carry much information when an event happens.
> When a LWM event happens, we need to know in which Rx queue it happens or optionally what's the current LWM percentage of this queue.
> The query operation serves this purpose.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Spike.
> 
> 

The bigger question is why does this have to be just MLX5 and why
can't it fit into the existing DPDK RX interrupt framework?

Linux and BSD have had this for years in their packet coalescing logic.
Ethtool provides ability to set lot of irq coalescing parameters like:

       ethtool -C|--coalesce devname [adaptive-rx on|off] [adaptive-tx on|off]
              [rx-usecs N] [rx-frames N] [rx-usecs-irq N] [rx-frames-irq N]
              [tx-usecs N] [tx-frames N] [tx-usecs-irq N] [tx-frames-irq N]
              [stats-block-usecs N] [pkt-rate-low N] [rx-usecs-low N]
              [rx-frames-low N] [tx-usecs-low N] [tx-frames-low N]
              [pkt-rate-high N] [rx-usecs-high N] [rx-frames-high N]
              [tx-usecs-high N] [tx-frames-high N] [sample-interval N]
              [cqe-mode-rx on|off] [cqe-mode-tx on|off]

It feels like this is just the DPDK version of a small subset of that.
Since many device already support IRQ coalescing, it would be best to build
one new API that has most of these. Rather than a MLX/Nvidia only API for
a single parameter.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-23 22:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-01  3:22 [RFC 0/6] net/mlx5: introduce limit watermark and host shaper Spike Du
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 1/6] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56   ` [RFC v1 0/7] net/mlx5: introduce limit watermark and host shaper Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 1/7] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 2/7] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-19  9:37       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 4/7] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 5/7] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 6/7] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-05-06  3:56     ` [RFC v1 7/7] app/testpmd: add LWM and Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58     ` [RFC v2 0/7] introduce per-queue limit watermark and host shaper Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 1/7] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 2/7] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-22 15:23         ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-05-23  3:01           ` Spike Du
2022-05-23 21:45             ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-24  2:50               ` Spike Du
2022-05-24  8:18                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-25 12:59                   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-05-25 13:58                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-25 14:23                       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-05-23 22:54             ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2022-05-24  3:46               ` Spike Du
2022-05-22 15:24         ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-05-23  2:18           ` Spike Du
2022-05-23  6:07         ` Morten Brørup
2022-05-23 10:58           ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-23 14:10             ` Spike Du
2022-05-23 14:39               ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-24  6:35                 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-05-24  9:40                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 4/7] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 5/7] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:58       ` [RFC v2 6/7] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-05-22  5:59       ` [RFC v2 7/7] app/testpmd: add LWM and Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20       ` [PATCH v3 0/7] introduce per-queue limit watermark and host shaper Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 1/7] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 2/7] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 4/7] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 5/7] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based limit watermark Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 6/7] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:20         ` [PATCH v3 7/7] app/testpmd: add LWM and Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-05-24 15:59         ` [PATCH v3 0/7] introduce per-queue limit watermark and host shaper Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-24 19:00           ` Morten Brørup
2022-05-24 19:22             ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-05-25 14:11               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-05-25 13:14             ` Spike Du
2022-05-25 13:40               ` Morten Brørup
2022-05-25 13:59                 ` Spike Du
2022-05-25 14:16                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-05-25 14:30                     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-03 12:48         ` [PATCH v4 0/7] introduce per-queue fill threshold " Spike Du
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 1/7] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 2/7] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-06-03 14:30             ` Ray Kinsella
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based fill threshold Spike Du
2022-06-03 14:30             ` Ray Kinsella
2022-06-04 12:46             ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-06 13:16               ` Spike Du
2022-06-06 17:15                 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-06 21:30                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-06-07  8:02                     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-07  6:00                   ` Spike Du
2022-06-06 15:49             ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 4/7] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 5/7] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based fill threshold Spike Du
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 6/7] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-06-03 14:55             ` Ray Kinsella
2022-06-03 12:48           ` [PATCH v4 7/7] app/testpmd: add Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59           ` [PATCH v5 0/7] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 1/7] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-06-08 20:10               ` Matan Azrad
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 2/7] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 3/7] ethdev: introduce Rx queue based available descriptor threshold Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 4/7] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 5/7] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based available descriptor threshold Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 6/7] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-06-07 12:59             ` [PATCH v5 7/7] app/testpmd: add Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-06-09  7:55               ` Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-10  2:22                 ` Spike Du
2022-06-13  2:50               ` [PATCH v6] " Spike Du
2022-06-13  2:50                 ` Spike Du
2022-06-14  9:43                   ` Singh, Aman Deep
2022-06-14  9:54                     ` Spike Du
2022-06-14 12:01                   ` [PATCH v7] " Spike Du
2022-06-14 12:01                     ` Spike Du
2022-06-15  7:51                       ` Matan Azrad
2022-06-15 11:08                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-06-15 12:58                       ` [PATCH v8 0/6] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 1/6] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                           ` [PATCH v9 0/6] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 1/6] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                               ` [PATCH v10 0/6] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 1/6] net/mlx5: add LWM support for Rxq Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 2/6] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-06-23 16:05                                   ` Ray Kinsella
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 3/6] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 4/6] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based available descriptor threshold Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 5/6] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-06-16  8:41                                 ` [PATCH v10 6/6] app/testpmd: add Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-06-19  8:14                                 ` [PATCH v10 0/6] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Raslan Darawsheh
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 2/6] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 3/6] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 4/6] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based available descriptor threshold Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 5/6] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-06-15 14:43                             ` [PATCH v9 6/6] app/testpmd: add Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 2/6] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 3/6] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 4/6] net/mlx5: support Rx queue based available descriptor threshold Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 5/6] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-06-15 12:58                         ` [PATCH v8 6/6] app/testpmd: add Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-06-08  9:43             ` [PATCH v5 0/7] introduce per-queue available descriptor threshold and host shaper Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-08 16:35             ` [PATCH v6] ethdev: introduce available Rx descriptors threshold Andrew Rybchenko
2022-06-08 17:22               ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-06-08 17:46                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-06-09  0:17                   ` fengchengwen
2022-06-09  7:05                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-06-10  0:01                       ` fengchengwen
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 2/6] common/mlx5: share interrupt management Spike Du
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 3/6] net/mlx5: add LWM event handling support Spike Du
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 4/6] net/mlx5: add private API to configure Rxq LWM Spike Du
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 5/6] net/mlx5: add private API to config host port shaper Spike Du
2022-04-01  3:22 ` [RFC 6/6] app/testpmd: add LWM and Host Shaper command Spike Du
2022-04-05  8:58 ` [RFC 0/6] net/mlx5: introduce limit watermark and host shaper Jerin Jacob
2022-04-26  2:42   ` Spike Du
2022-05-01 12:50     ` Jerin Jacob
2022-05-02  3:58       ` Spike Du
2022-04-29  5:48   ` Spike Du

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