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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Thomas Monjalon" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"Feifei Wang" <Feifei.Wang2@arm.com>,
	"Ferruh Yigit" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
Cc: <dev@dpdk.org>, "nd" <nd@arm.com>,
	"Andrew Rybchenko" <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
	"Qi Zhang" <qi.z.zhang@intel.com>,
	"Beilei Xing" <beilei.xing@intel.com>
Subject: RE: 回复: [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] Direct re-arming of buffers on receive side
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:27:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D86E13@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2898883.0vhOF50zNu@thomas>

> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17.54
> 
> [quick summary: ethdev API to bypass mempool]
> 
> 18/01/2022 16:51, Ferruh Yigit:
> > On 12/28/2021 6:55 AM, Feifei Wang wrote:
> > > Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>:
> > >> The patch provides a significant performance improvement, but I am
> > >> wondering if any real world applications exist that would use
> this. Only a
> > >> "router on a stick" (i.e. a single-port router) comes to my mind,
> and that is
> > >> probably sufficient to call it useful in the real world. Do you
> have any other
> > >> examples to support the usefulness of this patch?
> > >>
> > > One case I have is about network security. For network firewall,
> all packets need
> > > to ingress on the specified port and egress on the specified port
> to do packet filtering.
> > > In this case, we can know flow direction in advance.
> >
> > I also have some concerns on how useful this API will be in real
> life,
> > and does the use case worth the complexity it brings.
> > And it looks too much low level detail for the application.
> 
> That's difficult to judge.
> The use case is limited and the API has some severe limitations.
> The benefit is measured with l3fwd, which is not exactly a real app.
> Do we want an API which improves performance in limited scenarios
> at the cost of breaking some general design assumptions?
> 
> Can we achieve the same level of performance with a mempool trick?

Perhaps the mbuf library could offer bulk functions for alloc/free of raw mbufs - essentially a shortcut directly to the mempool library.

There might be a few more details to micro-optimize in the mempool library, if approached with this use case in mind. E.g. the rte_mempool_default_cache() could do with a few unlikely() in its comparisons.

Also, for this use case, the mempool library adds tracing overhead, which this API bypasses. And considering how short the code path through the mempool cache is, the tracing overhead is relatively much. I.e.: memcpy(NIC->NIC) vs. trace() memcpy(NIC->cache) trace() memcpy(cache->NIC).

A key optimization point could be the number of mbufs being moved to/from the mempool cache. If that number was fixed at compile time, a faster memcpy() could be used. However, it seems that different PMDs use bursts of either 4, 8, or in this case 32 mbufs. If only they could agree on such a simple detail.

Overall, I strongly agree that it is preferable to optimize the core libraries, rather than bypass them. Bypassing will eventually lead to "spaghetti code".


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-18 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-24 16:46 Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/4] net/i40e: enable direct re-arm mode Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/4] ethdev: add API for " Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 19:38   ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-12-26  9:49     ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2021-12-26 10:31       ` Morten Brørup
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/4] net/i40e: add direct re-arm mode internal API Feifei Wang
2021-12-24 16:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/4] examples/l3fwd: give an example for direct rearm mode Feifei Wang
2021-12-26 10:25 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/4] Direct re-arming of buffers on receive side Morten Brørup
2021-12-28  6:55   ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2022-01-18 15:51     ` Ferruh Yigit
2022-01-18 16:53       ` Thomas Monjalon
2022-01-18 17:27         ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2022-01-27  5:24           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27 16:45             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-02-02 19:46               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27  5:16         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2023-02-28  6:43       ` 回复: " Feifei Wang
2023-02-28  6:52         ` Feifei Wang
2022-01-27  4:06   ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-01-27 17:13     ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-28 11:29     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-23 10:43 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: add API for buffer recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 11:41     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-29  2:16       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] net/i40e: implement recycle buffer mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-23 10:43   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: add API for buffer recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  7:19     ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-30  9:31       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30 15:15         ` Morten Brørup
2023-03-30 15:58         ` Morten Brørup
2023-04-26  6:59           ` Feifei Wang
2023-04-19 14:46     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-26  7:29       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] net/i40e: implement recycle buffer mode Feifei Wang
2023-03-30  6:29   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-04-19 14:46     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-26  7:36       ` Feifei Wang
2023-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Recycle buffers from Tx to Rx Stephen Hemminger
2023-04-03  2:48     ` Feifei Wang
2023-04-19 14:56   ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-04-25  7:57     ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] Recycle mbufs from Tx queue to Rx queue Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] ethdev: add API for mbufs recycle mode Feifei Wang
2023-05-25 15:08     ` Morten Brørup
2023-05-31  6:10       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 12:53     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  2:55       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  7:10         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-06  7:31           ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  8:34             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-07  0:00               ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-06-12  3:25                 ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 2/4] net/i40e: implement " Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 13:02     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  3:16       ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  7:18         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-06  7:58           ` Feifei Wang
2023-06-06  8:27             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2023-06-12  3:05               ` Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] net/ixgbe: " Feifei Wang
2023-05-25  9:45   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] app/testpmd: add recycle mbufs engine Feifei Wang
2023-06-05 13:08     ` Константин Ананьев
2023-06-06  6:32       ` Feifei Wang

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